MS Flag Under Debate Due To Confederate Iconography

Now you’re really going to piss him off.

That seems to the be the on universal truth about Maher; he has incredibly thin skin regarding his attempts at humor.

The crackers in Mississippi never HAVE accepted the fact that they got their asses kicked, twice.
Once by the army when they tried overthrowing the country and once by the FBI when tried using the KKK.

The flag they are oh so fond of was put together by some white supremacists during Reconstruction at the end of the 19th century. The ACTUAL Mississippi flag had a star, a red border and a magnolia tree on it.

That particular flag looks to be made of cheap polyester, probably on China.

FYI that’s the same flag as the Kingdom of Hawaii, and has been since the time of Kamehameha I ca. 1816. Also over 100 Hawaiians signed up to fight for the Union in the U.S. Civil War.

My great=grandfather on my Dad’s side was born and raised in Mobile, Alabama. He traveled up and down the Mississippi frequently according to my grandmother’s memoir of her family. He fell in love with a girl in Indiana but the war broke out and he enrolled in the Northern army. Grandmother never explained why he did that as his brother joined the Confederate army but he must have had good reasons such as not wanting to see our young country broken up and the South becoming a vassal to some European country. He returned to Indiana after the war and married grandma and built a business there. His family sold oysters if I recall correctly and I guess that business did not appeal…

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He’s always the one who laughs the hardest at his jokes. It’s one of the most annoying things about him.

It still drives me nuts that people on all sides call it “the stars and bars”. Yes, I know it’s a lost cause at this point (pun intended). But, like, DO YOU SEE ANY FUCKING BARS ON IT??? NO!!!

This is the Stars and Bars flag:

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Thousands of blacks were captured in Africa, forced onto ships. Many died enroute but those who survived arrived in America to immediately be sold as slaves like animals. From that point on those people had no agency…they were completely at the mercy of their owners, as were their children and their children’s children. A few managed to escape.
People who claim slavery wasn’t that bad aren’t lying, they are ignorant of what the lives of slavers was like…period. Thousands of slaves were brought from Africa but many thousands more were born to slavery on Southern plantations.
Every people on the planet has enslaved another group of people on the planet. “Slavery” is not a euphemism for the truth of what they did. “Slavery” explains exactly what they did. There are still enslaved people on our planet. Humans don’t change.

When I lived in an Atlanta suburb and taught at a junior college there I met a woman who was to be my best friend for the 25+ years I taught there. She was very striking in appearance with milk white skin and beautiful jet black hair plus a pretty nice figure… My husband and I (she was my maid of honor at our wedding) were often invited to her home for parties and there were a number of occasions I spent the night at her home.

She was married to a man from New York who had become as loyal to all things Southern as she was. I knew little about her childhood and her time as a young adult but she did drop bits of information about her ancestors who owned large plantations in Mississippi. I was quite surprised as I had never met anyone until her whose people were those those legendary plantation owners. She also learned she was descended from Aaron Burr. The best people! Curiously she never spoke of her parents or any siblings.

When we had our falling out she informed me that she kept a large Confederate flag displayed on the wall of their daylight basement and that she never flew it in front of the house…not sure why but maybe that would have been too brazen in an upper class neighborhood. I certainly saw plenty of Confederate flags around Atlanta. I never saw it because I had never been in that room of the house.

After we moved to the west coast we kept in touch via email. At one point we had an argument over a political difference of opinions. In fact she took such umbrage that she just ended our friendship. I felt very bad about that but it was unrepairable.

It has two red bars and one white one.
The blue canton matches the width of two bars.

I can’t see this sphere of stars design as anything other than the corona virus, maybe in two years…

I think you’re saying that one MS state govnt after another got into place by pandering to the the LCD of the population – one that seems to celebrate, indeed wallow in its benightedness.

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No, I’m saying that the ultra-conservative governments MS has had for 150 years created the benightedness and used it to grift.

As noted before, this kind of thinking is, at best, lazy.

About Woodrow Wilson:

And to repeat a more general explanation:

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Buchanan was much, much worse than useless.

He actively supported and promoted slavery and the secessionists throughout his life.

Prior to becoming President he had tried to get Cuba acquired from Spain as a slave state to increase the power of the slave bloc in the U.S. and had actively participated in secessionist conclaves. This is decidedly odd for a Pennsylvania born non-slaveholder, yet this he did.

As President he continued trying to acquired Cuba as a slave state.

He convinced Taney to broaden the Dredd Scott decision so as to render unconstitutional the Missouri Compromise – promotion of the cause of slavery that emboldened the secessionists.

Acted illegally (including resorting to bribes) to place the slaveholder faction in power in Kansas.

So he spent his Presidency, and his life before that, throwing fuel on the secessionist fire.

Then when secession, which he favored, came about - of course he did nothing substantial to oppose it. He publicly favored the cause of secession, though he did a little dance of claiming that they did not have the power to secede yet the Federal government could do nothing to prevent it. His sole strategy for dealing with secession was to give the slaveholders everything they wanted – make slavery legal throughout the nation, bind all states to recognizing slave ownership, and requiring them to maintain slave patrols to capture escaped slaves and return them those who claimed to own them (something that endangered free blacks everywhere). Also during the secession crisis, he decided to move a large part of the small standing U.S. Army to the frontier duty in the west, making sure that they were not at hand to deal with an insurrection.

His entire Presidency was spent in supporting slaveholding in every way he could.

This is way more than doing nothing.

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And he gets very angry when people in the audience don’t…and positively loses it if he gets heckled in anyway.

Its always puzzled me, considering he does stand up.

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So as long as they were in Africa they were blacks?

Why do you frame the story as humans who were black were slaves?
They were enslaved.

Those who enslaved humans were depraved beasts. So depraved they enslaved their very own flesh & blood.

Human beings beaten, mutiliated, lynched, maimed either die or submit.

Chattel ENSLAVEMENT is unique to America. Slavery is a term used in America to assert white supremacy. Brutal barbaric beasts describes exactly who they were as they enslaved human beings . Murderers. Heinous acts against humans, cuttting children out of wombs after lynching a woman to dismember the fetus.

Humans do change.

No one is ever born a slave.
People are born a living breathing human BEING.

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True dat.

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Yes, the actual S&B does. But nobody uses it, and people call the battle flag the stars and bars.

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Because people are unimaginably stupid.
Or uneducated about history.
Or both—especially if they’re the ones waving the flag around.

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