MS Flag Under Debate Due To Confederate Iconography

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — The young activists who launched a protest movement after George Floyd’s death are bringing fresh energy to a long-simmering debate about the Confederate battle emblem that white supremacists embedded within the Mississippi state flag more than 125 years ago.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://talkingpointsmemo.com/?p=1314560

The most Christian, Poorest, Dumbest, Racist state in the country.

This ought to be fun.

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Not only is that flag racist, it’s poorly designed and fucking ugly as hell.

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“We want to represent that we’re Virginia’s bitch forever, y’all!”

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The “Stennis Flag” is a remarkably cool looking alternative.

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An entire culture based on the idea that arrested development is a way of life.

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Another one: Outer ring: 13 colonies. Inner ring: the six “nations” that have had some form of sovereignty over the Mississippi territory (various Native American nations as one collective nation, the French Empire, the Spanish Empire, Great Britain, the Confederate States, and the United States).

The twenty stars represent Mississippi as the 20th state to join the union.

(The original post reminds me of a typical Yahoo article: all about some thing or video, but no image of the thing or video.)

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Everybody realizes that the economic high point for Mississippi came during slavery. Mississippi has never really recovered from the Civil War. The political and economic leadership in Mississippi is pathetic and has been since the beginning. Alabama has the Marshall Space Flight Center proving that some people living in that state can read. Can’t say the same thing about Mississippi.

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She should have asked the guy who hates Obamacare if he prefers the Affordable Care Act.

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Much better than the current design!

The flag was designed by Jackson artist Laurin Stennis, granddaughter of U.S. Sen. John C. Stennis…

The elder Stennis was a segregationist much of his career. His granddaughter rejects that mindset, saying she wants her design to unify the state. Critics say Mississippi should not adopt a flag with any connection to the former senator.

Shouldn’t both sides of this issue overwhelmingly believe that “children shouldn’t be held responsible for the sins of the [grand]father?” Most are christianists, and those that aren’t probably understand the evolution of thinking by descendants. I sure AF have never agreed with my overtly racist grandparents. Unless there’s some dogwhistle meaning to the design, it seems unreasonable not to at least consider it.

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It’s always a cop-out to say ‘put it to a vote’. Legislators and governors are not elected to distribute ballots to polling stations. They are elected to make decisions.

Mississippi is apparently okay with having a governor who shirks his responsibilities.

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Isn’t the state motto “as I lay dying”?)

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Oh Christ, not again:

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So, some people say slavery was not so bad, Negroes were part of the family. Note below an article in 1824 for a return of an escaped Negro. Note the scars he has on his body. So much to honor the heritage of the Confederate and the South. I guess this slave owner was an abusive father and like any abused children can move out, but not this slave. Also, note the master had no shame in the scars that his slave had on his body.

National Banner and Nashville Whig (Nashville, Tennessee) 01 Nov. 1824, Monday, Page 3

20 DOLLARS REWARD

RANAWAY from the subscriber residing in Morgan county, Ala. On Sunday night the 10th October instant, Negro Ross, about 31 or 32 years old, about 5 feet 5 or 6 inches high, bald head, a small scar on the left eye brow, also a small scar about the left eye, a small scar on the left ear, a small scare on his nose, occasioned by a blow with a switch across the nose, fond of spirits, stutters when much irritated, has some marks on the lash on his back, can make a tolerable coarse shoe, and is thought he has taken some shoemaker’s tools with him; handy at almost any kind of plantation work, good waggoner, and understands the management of horses – Had on when he went away High quartered shoes, old pair of black cloth or cassimere pantaloons, course white cotton roundabout, coarse heavy wool hat, old plaid vest – he took with him a variety of clothing not recollected, among which was a yellow jeans roundabout and pantaloons, the warp of which is thread filled with yarn, a pair of coarse shoes, and cambric shirt. It is thought said negro obtained a pass. If taken within the county, a reward of ten dollars will be given; if taken out of the county, and secured in any jail so that I get him, the above reward will be given, and all reasonable charges if brought home.

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Back when I was in high school in the late 70’s in suburban NYC we had Regents history with a program called Mock congress where the students had to play representatives and debate bills. My Kennedy, Mo Udall and Jerry Brown liking self as well as the few Rockefeller Republican types who represented us had to play Sen. John C. Stennis. It was interesting putting myself into his mindset to debate a bill on amnesty for draft evaders as well as wiping out dishonorable discharges but that’s how you learn and process these issues by learning how others think.

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The Stennis flag is pretty good but I like this one even better. It would put it in the top rank of state flags IMO. Most are terrible, either ridiculously complex (like having the entire state seal on it) or just kind of banal.

The red bars on the side somewhat recall the “bloodstained banner” (the last official Confederate flag), but I’m not sure if it’s intentionally referring to that or to whatever that was derived from.

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Mississippi has used the Confederate emblem in its flag since 1894, when white supremacists in state government adopted it after Reconstruction.

Since 1894, huh? By white supremacists? That’s the heritage they want to honor?

“That flag, to them, represented home, represented Mississippi,” Bond said.

Really? Mississippi seceded in 1861 and unwillingly brought back into the Union in 1865 because they lost. What about this are they proud of? I’m sure it would be just as “homey” if they lost the Confederate emblem -a clear emblem of racism.

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Mississippi is the drain from which all other southern states are measured.

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Guys, it’s Mississippi.
They are fiftieth in everything but incest and racism.

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I drove through Mississippi many years ago on two lane roads and went through a number of small towns. It was a week day but a lot of the quick marts had a bunch of white guys in baseball caps and overalls standing around outside. I never stopped to take a closer look and see what they were doing, I expect drinking and planning the next lynching. We were in a University of Georgia car and we were somewhat nervous about stopping to get gas or ask directions, we got the feeling that anyone they did not know, regardless of race, was to be suspect of something. The only other places I ever got that endangered feeling were in eastern Kentucky and central Texas (non-Hispanic town).

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