Discussion: Rudy Takes Ferguson: The Mayor Lets It All Hang Out On Race In America

[richardnixonhuberthumphrey]

Late-stage syphilis is a dreadful thing. That poor, poor old man.

[Dawn_Rainbow]

@mcnett

For whites, the conversation on race is about black behavior, whatever that is. Articulating the long list of infractions committed by blacks, behaviors that whites overlook in themselves, is what whites call the conversation on race.[/quote]

Well said. But the main reason for all that is human greed, selfishness not skin color, culture, etc.
Most people are selfish and self-promoting narcissists by nature, (sorry no offense), who’ll use any pretext to kiss their own worthless/loser butts at other people’s expense.
Most bigots are narcissists who’ll hang their hats on any pretext to feel important, but until we admit this evil in each & everyone of us the problem persists.
I know it sounds like I don’t have a high opinion of human beings but that’s just tough love on my part. I do think human beings have high potential for justice, fairness, morality, and goodness which we squander when we allow ourselves to be conditioned with illogical labels we buy into just so the 1% puppet masters can keep controlling the masses so they can retain their wealth & power at our expense.
That said, the caveat being that most 1%ers are good, decent people IMO, but again money often corrupts people’s values & the selfishness, greed, and self-promotion kicks in at the expense of the 98%.
Getting rid of these absurd labels would certainly help but sadly people love their labels, rather than just be part of the human community most people still want to adhere to this or that culture/community, etc. Us VS them mentality which 1%ers use in their “decide & conquer” campaign to maintain power at our expense.

[quote=“mcnett, post:90, topic:13711, full:true”]In stores, for example, the kids having the tantrums or striking their parents or fussing and crying most often are the white kids, but their white parents behave as though this is normal behavior and may respond with a “now, Justin.” However, if a black child behaves loudly in public, whites immediately indict the entire black race, homing in on bad parenting, fatherless homes, and low-hanging pants.

I sent my daughters to college with this admonition: don’t go to frat parties; if you do, don’t get drunk around white boys. Most blacks know that white boys are not well raised. Their bad behavior has been written off by their culture as boys-will-be-boys hijinks. That’s why the epidemic of rape perpetrated by white boys is being hushed up at campuses around the country.

Yet these observations about whites do not constitute a discussion on race.

A discussion on race focuses on white supremacy and institutionalized racism, which according to polls, white people don’t believe exists. Ergo, any conversation about race is pointless.

Yep, human greed & selfishness at play as usual.
It certainly doesn’t help many darker skinned people buy into the anti dark skin racism since they are sadly raised in a racist society & undergo the same skin color racist MSM/societal conditioning.
It’s mind-boggling when I hear some ne’er do well miscreant taking credit for Einstein’s achievements but none of Jeffrey Dahmer’s stigma under the skin color pretext. It’s the opposite for darker skinned people, all darker skinned people are collectively to blame for every single bad deed or bad behavior ever exhibited by any dark skinned person everywhere/anywhere, while receiving NO credit for achievements of dark skinned scientists like Booker T Washington, MLK, Dr Vivian or old African civilizations.
It’s hypocritical BS. But none of it is because of light or dark skin color, it’s because most human nature/beings of all skin, eye or hair color are selfish, greedy, soulless a–holes. Sorry for my French.
We are, but we can be so much better than what we are. Together as one human community, we can & will be a force to behold. I look forward to that day.

[Dawn_Rainbow]

@Username

Quite true, but that number is from the 2010 Bureau of Justice Statistics report, which also said that black people are six times more likely to be murdered and seven times more likely to commit murder than white people.

Total insane, delusional, misleading hogwash.

The report doesn’t say that.
RWNJ like to parse data & doctor numbers with statistics to impugn dark skinned people of the exact situation they force upon dark skinned people.
Use a little logic, why don’t you. Skin color doesn’t cause anybody to do anything. That’s absurd. RWNJ’s fail to point out the whole truth, the insightful relevant data such as the real socio economic factors that impact results NOT skin color. [eyeroll]. Not to mention the numbers are inflated with dark skinned people who were later found to be innocent and victims of the injustice system that works overtime to punish dark skin.
Dark tanned skin has never made anybody do anything good or bad, anybody who believes such nonsense needs intensive psychotherapy. However, studies have shown conclusively that lack of education, intense police targeting, bigotry, racial profiling/targeting and poverty have made people of all skin colors commit crimes and/or inflated numbers over-representing dark skin in the injustice system of the USA.
People who are poor who happen to be black or white commit crimes NOT the specific skin color. Get a brain.

[zlohcuc]

Rudy behaves like a lunatic,when you listen to him speak it becomes a inescapable conclusion.

[okay]

Maybe Mr. G just said what he said to counter all the collective race baiting coming from the denizens of Ferguson?

[jw1]

Okeydokey.
Or maybe he’s still the same racist assh^le he’s always been.

jw1

[richardnixonhuberthumphrey]

Or maybe your fingers emit little racist streams of diarrhea onto your keyboard. Maybe.

[cpinva]

Giuliani has always been an educated fool, going back to his days as a prosecutor. this isn’t anything new with him, just that whatever restraint he might have shown in public statements has been entirely removed. we’re now getting the completely unvarnished rudy.

[username]

What’s delusional is all of the freight you loaded onto simple statistical analysis. There’s nothing there about blackness or whiteness causing anything, just sad facts that both you and I wish weren’t true. The truth does not have a racial bias. Black Americans are at more risk in a variety of ways than the rest of the population,for a variety of reasons. Name calling rants do little to increase understanding of these problems.

[Dawn_Rainbow]

@Username

What’s delusional is all of the freight you loaded onto simple statistical analysis. There’s nothing there about blackness or whiteness causing anything, just sad facts that both you and I wish weren’t true. The truth does not have a racial bias. Black Americans are at more risk in a variety of ways than the rest of the population,for a variety of reasons. Name calling rants do little to increase understanding of these problems.

Please, you’re conditioned to believe that nonsense by your puppet masters. Tans don’t promote violence in people. If that were the case given the numerous genocides begun throughout millennia (From Crusades, Native American murders, chattel slavery, Nazi Germany, Witch Trials, Christian murders in Russia, WW1, on and on), then light complected people would win that battle hands down, so spare those of us who use our brains (and logic) for something other than ornament for our craniums to hear that absurd skin color FAUX argument.
Why does the data show what it does. Use a little logic, the history of the injustice system against dark skinned people in this country from the start and think real hard, and a picture may start emerging. But do try very very hard. All those dark skinned people proved innocent by DNA evidence, witnesses who later came forward admitting they were coerced by the prosecution, blacks harassed/convicted for slightest infractions such spitting on the street while fairer complected people get off for serious infractions, and especially rich whites then you may get a glimpse of the absurdity of what you’re saying. All things are not equal in reading the FBI data as both groups are not treated equally, nor did both start with similar opportunities.
Then the fact that more light complexioned people can afford good counsel VS dark skinned people who are poorer then you might get it. Why are dark skinned people on average poorer than lighter complexioned people? Right. Well, many reasons… Think real hard some reasons might come to you such as the immoral/unfair continued stigmatization of dark skin color, starting out with nothing in 1860 then kept down by Jim Crow, etc. Hello.
Skin color in itself has never made anybody do anything good or bad. People do bad things, leave their skin color out of it.

[Dawn_Rainbow]

@richardnixonhuberthumphrey

Or maybe your fingers emit little racist streams of diarrhea onto your keyboard. Maybe.

Yeah, okay is NOT okay.

[Dawn_Rainbow]

@mcnett

I still can’t understand (I actually do, however) why the libertarian set and the tea party fanatics who despise government intervention in their lives have no problem with agents of the state–the police–when they violate the human and civil rights of blacks.

You know why!
It’s not gov’t intervention they don’t like, it’s gov’t telling them they’re NOT free to infringe on the rights of other people they don’t think look exactly like them (aka minorities) that they don’t like. They loved gov’t when it sanctioned slavery and Jim Crow, segregation, Social security, welfare for light skinned people only, etc.
They only don’t like gov’t when it told them they couldn’t hold other human beings hostage to assault, rape, torture, punish, treat like animals and force to work for free. They only didn’t like gov’t when it tried to level the playing field by giving the N words a fighting chance by ending Jim Crow, poll taxes, and dared give welfare and food stamps to the N words too. Up until then gov’t was honky dorey & their friend because those benefits were for “whites only.”.
They jumped ship to the Rethug party hoping to bring back that type of pro white favoritism only, white supremacist gov’t back. Too bad for them, they’ll never fully get it back. In fact as time goes on they lose it a little bit more every day.
The trigger happy cops are fulfilling their wishes & killing off darker skinned people like they want, why should they complain?

[wial]

He was a moderate republican candidate for president, for some time favored to win. Just think about that for a minute.

As long as this sort of thing keeps happening, America will never be a great country again. Until every statue of Reagan is torn down, every airport and ship renamed, America will be nothing better than the world’s boorish dunce.

[kevanlove]

Sounds like Rudy is throwing some red meat to the base. Must be making another run in 2016.

[JustsTheFactsDude]

What has been lost in this whole conversation are the facts. I blame black journalists for this. Yes black-on-black crime is horrible but so is white-on-white crime. Black-on-black crime is 93% while white-on-white crime is 84%. White-on-White crime is actually worst in terms of body count. Since there are 5 times as many whites, the actual body count is worse. For every 93 black-on-black deaths, there are 420 white-on-white deaths. Check the facts!

Giuliani, a rabid racist for years, misses the whole point. There are such things as black policeman. The problem in Ferguson is that there are only 3 black cops out of 53 cops on the force. The town is 67 percent black. 93% of the traffic violations are issued to black citizens.

Giuliani, who is a self proclaimed patroit, since he was downtown when the 911 jets hit the Twin Towers. Guess what, so was my aunt. She’s 92 now. Is she a patroit? Giuliani turned the New York Mayors mansion into a drama show with his wife and girlfriends and has the audacity to throw stones

[bradbennett]

So what are the extenuating circumstances for situations like this?

[http://www.alternet.org/11-stupid-reasons-white-people-have-rioted?paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark][1]

Have you lost sympathy for all those crazy whites that have trashed their home towns?

[barblzz]

Oh gosh here comes two years of verbal garbage from repubs.

[pluckyinky]

@Taters

But of course, blacks are just shiftless and want free stuff, so I supposed it’s the white man’s burden to put out the fires.

Except when they’re starting the fires because a football or basketball team won or a lost a big game, or because a football coach got fired after covering for a child molester, or because pumpkins, or because of a soccer game, or because daylight savings time forced bars to close early, etc. White folks have no problem rioting, it’s just that they do it for remarkably stupid reasons.

[pluckyinky]

@JustsTheFactsDude

What has been lost in this whole conversation are the facts. I blame black journalists for this.

I completely agree with you except for this statement. We should be blaming ALL journalists for ignoring the facts you laid out as it’s the responsibility of all who claim the profession, not just the black ones.

[pluckyinky]

@ajileye

Reflectively jumping on Sharpton or Jackson is tired

Agreed. It’s so freakin’ exhausting and reveals a lot more about the person making the comparison than it does Sharpton and/or Jackson. The very same people who can’t wait to forgive or absolve someone of greater sins are usually the same folks who refuse to look at the work that Sharpton is doing today.