Discussion: Rudy Takes Ferguson: The Mayor Lets It All Hang Out On Race In America

If you said this in public I would have to give you a standing ovation. I’m sick to fucking death of being judged by white people for everything that anyone black ever did wrong. We don’t get to be whole persons responsible only for our own behavior. We are part of a group in which the behavior of one is a reflection on the whole. Nobody sees an angry white kid and immediately assumes he’s about to shoot up the place. Nope, but if a black kid looks a little shifty then he’s a threat and a danger that must be put down like a rabid dog. White folks don’t carry the burden of being responsible for everything anyone white every did. If a white kid shoots a bunch of his classmates, white kids don’t become suspect, but if a black kid in California does the same then it’s a general reflection of black culture and I have to answer for it here in KY. When a white person does something terrible or stupid, no one looks for to all white people to answer for the other person’s behavior, but black folk get to carry that burden every, single freakin day of our lives. To say it’s exhausting is an understatement.
Consider this, if a black person is acting up in Kroger, white people stare at me looking for me to respond, looking for me to go HAM right along with my fellow black person. I have the burden of standing there feeling embarrassed. On the other hand, if white trash walks in with her twenty eleven million kids acting a damn fool, white people get to shake their heads and keep it moving. Nobody black is going to look at them and assume that’s a reflection of all whites, we just assume that woman, and only that woman, is an idiot. It’s so tiring that it’s a wonder why the black suicide rate isn’t higher.

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Sharpton may be doing wonderful work today, I don’t know. His history suggests that those who accept him as a community leader are not concerned with bigotry, deception, or criminality.

Actually, the prosecutor, McColluch, did vigorously pursue prosecution of a black officer who hit someone with a baton.

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Plucky,

Not that this helps, but I think you’ll find the sort of behavior you describe exists on the part of every majority towards every identifiable minority group. The first thing my mother always wanted to know when someone with a possibly Jewish name was in the news for crime or corruption was “were they Jewish.” And I think if a Chinese-American person went on a rampage, people would look to any nearby Japanese-American to respond.

I’m curious. Have you read James McBride’s “The Color of Water?” I started re-reading it yesterday. Any thoughts?

Well, you do make a good point. It probably is pretty common in minority communities to fear that they’ll be judged by the actions of another person of their same race, color, or religion. I swear, watching the news and a story comes on about some heinous crime and I quietly think to myself, “please don’t be black, please don’t be black.” I guess what I find so exhausting is that I don’t know too many minorities who judge all, most, or even some whites by the actions of one.
No, I haven’t read “The Color of Water” but I need to.

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Understanding persecution as a reality-- is the likely answer.
There seems a reserve of character for the persecuted to rise above it-- with head held high.

At the ballpark where I play softball-- there is an AA man in his mid-80s whose son still plays (at age 63).
He comes to the ballpark 4 nights a week to watch us play-- he gets around OK on a walker.
Mr Randle, as he’s respectfully addressed, is well-known to have been one of the best softball players in our city’s (Houston) local history. He’s raised a passel of sons and daughters-- mostly professionals.

We’ve struck up a friendship-- as his personality reminds me so much of my own father who passed in 2009.
We’ll sit in the bleachers-- and when he’s not holding court-- describing what’s going on on-field-- or retelling stories and glories from his heydey-- we end up talking about his life experiences-- mostly of his travels with his wife-- through the South and West over a period of decades.

The stories of prejudice, bigotry, and racism are retold with a softness-- a trait not likely to have been present while he was experiencing these events.

He relives it with such grace and character.
Though I’m not surprised.

Mr Randle is only famous among those of us who share his love of playing ball.
But he is genuinely a great man.

jw1

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Obviously.

Agreed, except it started much earlier with Richard Nixon and his Southern Strategy. There is actually a book handed out by the Elect Nixon and the Committee to Re-Elect the President that gave the code words to use instead of the usual racial slurs of the day. Lee Atwater later (in his mea culpa interview where he relented a great many things when he found out he was dying of brain cancer) characterized this book as “…;the dictionary of how to say Nr without saying Nr.” The GOP has a long and sordid history of its decline from the Party of Lincoln to the Party of Rudy Giuliani.

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Perfect arguments in every point.
But one item not to forget as people get bogged down by numbers. Those numbers can’t just be taken at face value to compare AA VS fair skin color data, due to over-inflation and artificial over-representation of AA due to racist, racial profiling/targeting, pro-white favoritism and nepotism.

Remember BOTH groups are NOT, and have never been treated equally so numbers can’t be treated equally. Evidence proves numbers can’t be treated equally for both groups due to over-inflation, profile targeting/profiling of dark skin and pure pro-white, anti-black racist policies. Dark skinned people and Lighter skin do slightly more drugs than dark skinned people but 3/4 of people arrested, convicted and in jail for marijuana and serious drugs are dark skin which inflates crimes numbers for dark skinned people. They have the numbers they want through inflation of racist policies so the 86% VS 93% number is likely inflated as those numbers are reached through targeting, false accusations against blacks.
It’s a well know phenomenon that fair skinned criminals/murderers have often used the lie of blaming some imaginary/made-up black bogeyman to throw off guilt from themselves, prosecutors coercing witnesses to testify against dark skinned defendants who were later proved innocent by DNA. Anybody who thinks these 93% VS 86% stats can be taken at face value doesn’t know much about the US injustice system racist agenda. Those numbers I am confident will be proved to be inflated for all the reasons I mentioned when they are analyzed by ACLU, as other studies have shown other crime numbers for dark skin VS white skin were excessively over-inflated such as drug arrests. In conclusion the data against dark skinned Americans is artificially inflated due to targeting, profiling and racist policies so it cannot be taken at face value.

United States - Punishment and Prejudice: Racial Disparities in the War on Drugs.

Read it & weep at the inhumanity and injustice.
So-called “white” communities are purposely ignored, allowed to do as much drugs as they wish whereas “black” communities and dark skinned individuals are put under a microscope 24/7 and their lives ruined forever over the slightest mistake, then police are free to target/kill dark skinned people without impunity, at the drop of a hat for looking scary (Aka being of darker complexion).
So immoral and primitive it’s shocking…
Like I said I highly suspect that 86% is underrepresented due to lies about perpetrator’s race and the 93% overrepresented due to racism.

PS Blaming dark skinned journalists is counter-productive IMO. They’re under the microscope like president Obama. the slightest mistake will lose them their jobs and they’ll add to the dark skinned unemployment rate. It’s best they mind their p’s and q’s for now so they have inside information and do what’s necessary when the opportunity arises.

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Pathetic supremacist babble. Please scuttle on back to FEAR. Sharpton is hated for the same reasons that Ghandi, Jesus, and MLK were, because they fight for equal treatment for the poor and disenfranchised.

White on White crime is a serious problem you know…time to send in Black cops to save the White community…most people are killed by people they know and we are more segregated than ever so of course whites are killed by other whites and Blacks by other Blacks…but racists like Giuliani and his apologists don’t understand this.

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Haha. Good one. Well said.

That is a very logical conclusion, makes sense. Of course Guliu won’t mention that truth because it doesn’t satisfy his racial tension politics meme, so…all that being said, the only thing we would expect to be higher in poor communities would be robberies and other types of fraud not drugs and such which tends to be slightly higher in richer communities, and data proves fairer skin color communities do slightly higher drugs but are arrested and convicted at staggeringly lesser rates hence the artificial numbers against dark skinned people.
Theft and drugs sales, fraud you expect from poorer communities because of need but the data doesn’t even bear that out. What UCLA studies and others show is numbers on AA crime are artificially inflated because police purposely target/profile people of color & ignore “white” crime across the board, especially violent crimes.

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-05.htm

“Pathetic supremacist babble”?

I don’t know about you, “Dawn Rainbow,” but I’d think the same of Sharpton if he were white as a sheet. You really are allowed to think for yourself, you know. You don’t absolutely have to repeat the line some professor or high school English teacher gives you.

In the photo, Rudy looks like my 1yr old granddaughter. Conjecture: he’s been using that expression, fists clenched and eyebrows raised, for the past 69 years.

But being asked to indict is not the same as convicting on 1st degree murder…or whatever the charge would have actually been.

I see the anger and frustration being the same as that about Trayvon. That the questions weren’t even asked, normal procedures weren’t followed because right from the get go it’s assumed the guys that were killed DESERVED it. Move along, nothing to see.

Even the way the grand jury was conducted and the speech the prosecutor gave was flat out strange. I watched it live, he really did sound like a decent defense attorney.

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It’s a travesty of justice to NOT indict. And it is NOT so far from being sufficient to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

This racist POS is running for the Republican nomination on Nixon/Wallace’s “Law and Order” platform.

Poor Rudy is suffering from attention deficit withdrawal. He has always been a very divisive figure. He did some good in NYC as Mayor but most people don’t realize his poll numbers were in the tank until 9-11 happened. Most people in New York City were tired of the tension and division he caused with his paranoid and overbearing personality.

So take that, Al!