Discussion: Rudy Takes Ferguson: The Mayor Lets It All Hang Out On Race In America

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"Giuliani said Sunday that black-on-black crime was ā€˜the reason for the heavy police presence in the black communityā€¦ā€™ "

Why thatā€™s positively fascinating, since in Missouri, the militarized cops protected the white communities and businesses, but abandoned the black-owned businesses to the crowds that their history of ā€œpolicingā€ has enraged to the breaking point.

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Desparate to appear relevant?

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Typical Mr. 9/11; just trying to stay relevant.

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This is typical, people beg and say ā€œWe NEED a conversation about race in this country.ā€ but when they get one, and it seems to slightly cast a bad light on some black communities and attitudes, then people scream racist! If weā€™re going to have an open and honest conversation about race, itā€™s going to open some painful truths on both sides of the matter. (Or ALL sides when we talk beyond just black/white.)

I wonā€™t even dignify Mr. Sharpton with a mention. (Dā€™Oh!)

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Just read yesterday: 84% of whites who are murdered are killed by whitesā€¦most people who are murdered are killed by people they know and associate with.

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ā€œā€¦The danger to a black child ā€“ if it was my child ā€“ the danger is another blackā€¦ā€

Conservatives believe government is the solution.

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Hunh.
Another potential clown for 2016?
The ride is filling up quickly.
Does Uber have an app for that?

jw1

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As someone who lived in NYC during the Giuliani and Sharpton, I would concur with the Kirtzmanā€™s assessment of Sharptonā€™s position.

It was recently revealed that as an ā€œadviserā€ to Obamaā€“and I would take that characterization with a grain on saltā€“he hasnā€™t paid his taxes.

The rise of Al Sharpton is good example of weak and hollowed out contemporary black leadership. Heā€™s the man who was one of the prime exponents of the Tawana Brawley hoax.

He slandered a county prosecutor in that case and was found guilty. He led a sham presidential campaign in 2004 and it was discovered that he was getting aid from the GOP while running as a Democrat. Now, he has TV show.

Giuliani and Sharpton are mirror images of bad racial discourses.

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ā€œā€¦White police officers wonā€™t be there if you werenā€™t killing each otherā€¦ā€

Wop.

Oh, I donā€™t mean anything derogatory. Itā€™s just that Italians are stupid. Evidently.

I mean, if they were intelligent, they wouldnā€™t be saying stupid things like this. As a non-Italian, I feel itā€™s my duty to be there to help them past their genetic short-comings.

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You nailed Sharpton - a shameless self-promoter, a sort-of latter-day Jesse Jackson (who is on the all-time shameless list). Unfortunately, MSNBC has given him a forum, when at best he is one of many leaders-without-a-constituency in the years since Martin Luther King died. However, even one as shameless as Sharpton can be right about racism in America, now & again

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ā€œBecause there is virtually no homicide in the white community.ā€

Wow. Does anyone fact-check this guy?

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This kind of hate stays alive and well because we have freedom of speech, but perhaps also because our politics today in more like ā€œDays of Our Livesā€ and ā€œAs the World Turnsā€ than ā€œProfiles in Courageā€ and ā€œHopeā€.

I think I may be reading the wrong news feeds, maybe Iā€™ll go back to Sesame Street where there is at least characters that make me smile.

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So now his speech consists of a noun, a verb, 9/11, and a meaningless racial statistic.

Only Fox News viewers take him seriously.

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Rudy isnā€™t dissing ā€œsome black communitiesā€. Heā€™s condemning the whole.

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Old, white, racist says WHAT??

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Is anyone here ready to argue that police services should be withdrawn from majority-black communities?

Is anyone here ready to argue that only blacks should serve as police officers in majority-black communities?

Is anyone here ready to argue that majority-black communities, for whatever reasons, are not more in need of police services than other communities?

Is anyone here ready to argue that we should be indicting police officers despite the existence of reasonable doubt as to their guilt on the part of members of a grand jury?

Because if no one here is willing to argue any of those points, perhaps they should listen to what annoying publicity-hound conservatives have to say, because perhaps they, too, are upset about our failure to create communities in which all can flourish. Perhaps, just perhaps, they have something of interest to say, and it would be worth engaging with them to see where agreement can be found. If weā€™d been grown-up enough to listen to Daniel Patrick Moynihan, this might be a far better country today for all its residents.

Nah. This is TPM, yet another home of the choir. Just a different choir than Fox. Different, yet somehow just the same.

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ā€¦or watch ID on the TV machineā€¦???

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Giuliani has a long and sordid history of racist remarks and race-baiting in general.

That you comment as you do concerning Rev. Sharpton shows that you are not too different from Rudy.
That should make you hang your head in shame.

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Anyone who takes Al Sharpton as anything but a clown is a fool.