Discussion: Rudy Takes Ferguson: The Mayor Lets It All Hang Out On Race In America

Ah, so you’ll have a conversation, but not with anyone who might slightly cast a bad light on some white attitudes.

Please define “white community” and “black community.” I live in a community that is white, black, brown, and every other color. As long as we continue to speak in terms of “black” and “white” we are going to continue to see the issue in black and white terms - double meaning intended. It’s an issue for all of American citizenry.

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Your concern-trolling is duly noted—and dismissed for the steaming pantload that it is.

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Bah, he thinks he has a chance of running for president by using this kind of rhetoric.

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Wrong again, trollbreath.

Sharpton has done and said some really stupid things in the past, but he has learned the error of those things, and has pretty much redeemed himself.

Anyone—like you—who dismissed Sharpton is not paying attention.

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And, Thunderclap, you are the choir embodied.

“I protect myself with Life Alert. and noun, verb, 9/11.”

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The remarks are laced in race. The problem is most of them are true. Giuliani deserves no credit for the fall in crime during his Mayoral period. That was the work of the Police Chief and was set in motion before G was elected. Rudy has a long history of self aggrandizement too.

His remarks were vulgar given the context they were made. But they are largely true. And I agree…my sympathy for the Ferguson Black community vanished when they decided rioting and looting was the solution. It isn’t.

Grand Juries don’t use the “reasonable doubt” threshold, typically. GJs are merely to decide if there is probable cause for a trial. Is there enough evidence for the State to go to trial or not.

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"…he told a black panelist that white police officers wouldn’t be in black communities if “you weren’t killing each other.”

Sounds like what used to be said about Italian neighborhoods.

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My sympathy for the Ferguson black community remains, because the vast majority of that community did not decide rioting and looting is the solution. The vast majority of that community is doing the best it can in a racist society in which income inequality has risen to obscene levels and black people continue to suffer the most from income inequality.

I wish, someday, an organization would rent buses for the rioters and looters to use, so they could do their damage somewhere where people in power would actually care – perhaps in St. Louis’ malls.

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My understanding is that a prosecutor must only bring a case to a grand jury if the prosecutor believes there is a likelihood they can win at trial. But I’m obviously not a lawyer.

Do you really think that fact-checking would even matter to him?

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Name me someone on TV or in politics who isn’t a “shameless self-promoter” and then we can talk.

I’m no big fan of Sharpton, but I think MSNBC wanted someone who could “talk the talk” to the African-American community, and he does that pretty well. I still find myself on his side of the issues far more often than not.

As for the Tawana Brawley thing, I suspect he got snookered by her just like a lot of other people did. Stuff happens. Anyway, it’s pretty ancient history at this point.

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Rudy Giuliani is the KOTPP (King of the Pig People)

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What Giuliani says is half true. The half he’s not mentioning is that crime is always much higher in poor neighborhoods than in well-off neighborhoods. The high-crime areas in 19th Century London were the slums occupied by predominantly white Anglos. In this country, Black neighborhoods are generally much poorer than white neighborhoods, so crime is higher there. The reason he won’t mention it is that Republicans don’t want to do anything about poverty, the root cause of high crime rates. The only things they want to do about poverty would make it worse.

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As opposed to those who take Rudy at his word? Sheesh!

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Nope.

I pay attention to what people say—and what they do—and then I make decisions about those actions.

I don’t dismiss smart people out of hand—but that means that I can dismiss you.

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An October analysis by ProPublica of police shootings from 2010 to 2012 found that young black males are 21 times more likely to be shot dead by police officers than their white counterparts.

Some of the most notorious crimes involving black killings by white police happened during Rudy’s term as NY mayor. That would include Amadou Diallo and Patrick Dorismond (these horrific incidents can be easily Googled). He’s learned nothing except that race baiting works.

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I read a paper in college that argued a culture of black on black violence grew up in many black urban communities because whites refused to provide black citizens the justice they deserved. When the police aren’t seen as protectors some people naturally take things into their own hands.

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Martin Luther King Jr. said, “ A riot is the language of the unheard.” More blacks will be killed by police than whites, and the police who are usually white who did the killings will never be held accountable. We can acknowledge that the “unheard” is at the heart of street protests such as what we’ve seen recently.

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