I’m not getting why we wouldn’t want the South to leave?
Yep. I’m really really really sick and tired of these leeching poseurs trying to overthrow our Constitution and impose a fascist theocracy on us. Who the fuck do they think they are?
Sure, go start your own little country where everybody thinks like you. We’ll see how that goes. Within a year, there would be Ayatollahs on the right calling for witch hunts and burning at the stake for those not godly enough. We’ve seen this movie before Bubba, and know how it ends.
Still, I like the idea of sealing off all the crazies into some misbegotten corner and letting them smack each other around. Maybe we could put it on pay per view.
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Hmmmm … what slaves would Jesus own?
Well said.
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“We could have used you, there should have been more of us in 1861,” he said.
If only we had a time machine to send you back. You’d still lose.
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A Christian extremist travel ban.
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We belittle the “entire region and its citizenry” because they do not effectively complain and not because of the vocal mutterings of a “minority”.
Yes, it is hard.
Did I miss something? Isn’t Donald Trump, birther extraordinaire, our president? Didn’t I hear him yesterday mouthing super-religious sentiments about the shootings in Las Vegas?
Was he born in Alabama?
Of course he’s into Secessionists because he’s one of those idiots that thinks the Confederacy would have won. No, it wouldn’t have, it’s why the HBO show Confederate is such a stupid idea.
But, they do.
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Because it isn’t just the south. Look at the Republican map. Then think CA, who wants to be its own country. Then look at Greece and the old City States, and centuries of Europe and constant war.
I agree we don’t look all that united but it is our political arrangement that allows us to disagree.
If you side with the secessionist you become part of the problem. Again I call your attention to the Constitution. It is the law of the land. Give it up and you have lost the battle.
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I understand what you’re saying, but I also wonder about the wisdom of forcing thousands (or even millions?) of people who want a fascist theocracy to stay within our union. They reject our Constitution and our government. They are not going to change, and in fact, their movement seems to be growing. “Fighting” their delusions seems a quixotic quest doomed to failure.
What if most of the citizens of AL actually WANT to secede, and we’d be better off, financially and emotionally, letting them live out their perverted fantasies without taxpayer support? It’s just a thought exercise at this point, but not an impossibility.
For centuries our country continued to annex territories and create states. Maybe we’re too big. What are we, Russia, that we have to keep swallowing others and making them bend to our will? Let them secede if they hate our government and freedoms so much. Welcome their sane citizens into our land and let the crazies live out their idiocy.
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I wonder if we are talking about two, somewhat, different groups of people.
Doug Jones hasn’t been shy about tying Moore to Russia. He can tie him to secessionists too. For Jones, if he can run up big margins in Birmingham and Montgomery (which he will b/c Moore is very unpopular there) and narrow or flip the Mobile, Huntsville and Tuscaloosa areas (he can narrow, but a flip or two would be great), he can win. I don’t think those areas will go for Moore’s secessionist extremism. The polling already tells us this. It’s about getting our vote out, not appealing to GOPers. I think this race will get a turnout of 800k to 1 mill. The average for a contested AL Senate race in an election year is 1.6 million. If Jones is able to get the same people who voted D vs. Shelby in '16 to come out to vote in December, he’ll win it. We got 748k votes in '16. Based on my turnout assumption, I think 600-620k votes wins it (it would cover us even if turnout goes to 1.2 mill). Obviously, if the target is closer to 800k, then anything over 400k wins it, but I think Moore is going to put up at least 450k. I don’t think he can get to 600k, and I’m doubtful if he can get much above 500k. Ds just need to invest in turnout, spread the word and get the vote out in D counties.
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And what if the money they spend here costs us an opportunity to topple Ted Cruz in Texas?
I’m not arguing against funding the race. I’m just saying it’s easy to think decisions are easy or “no-brainers” when you have no responsibility for their consequences. And cautioning against getting excessively worked up and attributing invidious motives we disagree with the decisions of the people who do. And I guess I am overly sensitive to that both because I’ve been in the position of having to make decisions that get second guessed by people with no responsibility for the consequences and because so very much of the criticism of Obama from the left was of precisely that nature.
Having said that, I repeat that I do not consider the DSCC to be the repository of the very brightest lights in the Democratic campaign apparatchik firmament.
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Well, according to their religious/government leaders (same thing, I guess, in a theocracy), there won’t be any more natural disasters for them, since they’re caused by homosexuality and abortion and people who don’t love trump. So they’d be just fine, I guess.
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Fuck 'em. Let 'em secede. They are a bunch of bassakwards moochers off the Federal teat anyway.
It’s their vision of utopia.
They can’t secede. There is no way.
This is one fucking country. One nation. You don’t like parts of it and neither do it but it is one goddamn country.
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“U-Turn-topia” is more accurate