Discussion: Obama Boosts Clinton: She Has 'More Experience' Than Non-VP Candidate Ever

Both the strategy and tactics of the Right have to be analyzed in the context of (among other factors)

  • American race relations

  • American mores and folkways

  • American MSM

  • American campaign finance rules

  • American age-cohort voting participation

The Right has hit upon a methodology which maximizes the political influence of between 10-25% of the population.

Most social and political scientists have to labour under the aura of disrespect given to them by the so-called “hard” areas of study which use rules of energy and matter. However, if these social sciences were so ineffective, their successful mastery in the Political System by the 0.001% and the Right would not have borne the fruit it has.

I loved the first Clinton administration. By the end we were at peace and everyone was getting richer.

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But polling on a national basis, when primaries-- and the electoral college–run state-by-state–so who is really to say that Bernie outstrips HRC?

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Are you referring to Kerry the diplomat or Kerry the failed presidential candidate?

No one knows not even Clinton how her policies will be applied given the lack of cooperation she’ll face with republicans. But to base dread of a future administration on events of a presidency of 20 years ago and the work of the foundation is somewhat pessimistic. If the republicans choose to investigate old issues in lieu of actually doing the hard work of governing, that’s their doing, not the the creation or fault of a HRC administration.

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Answered farther up in the comments. I’m actually not questioning her leadership or her policies (hence the ‘visceral’ part).

Why is that? Because the NYT has decided that ever since they ginned up Whitewater as a scandal that turned out not to be one? What is it?

I doubt there would be “an eight year run of Whitewater like investigations” once the GOP gets itself WHUPPED for president!

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Condescension, that is what that is called with a twist of delusion.

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You and most democrats and moderate republicans. There were those progressives which hated his policies. They gave us Nader.

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translating values into governance and delivering the goods is ultimately the job of politics

A much more succinct way of stating my feelings. For me at all boils down to actually passing legislation so the changes we want have the force of law behind them, always felt Hillary would be far more capabable of that given our current political climate.

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Actually I think if it is not a one trick pony but really animal abuse!

Also, for what it’s worth, Bill Clinton found occasional agreement and worked with both previous bush presidents on global and economic issues. This is a guy who wants to do good on the world stage

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Classy, real classy.

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Sure sounds like dv01 may have been an Andrew Sullivan reader for a long time. I was too – and its only after seeing his unhinged Hillary rant on Maher a few months ago that I got some perspective on how he’d influenced my feelings about her. Still wonder what he’s thinking about the election so far – but I would gander that he is grappling with the possibility that if he’s eligible to vote in the general election for the first time, the irony is that he will have no choice but to vote for Hillary.

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I used to love Nader. Until he gave us Bush. And he DID do that, no matter what anyone says.

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I grew up thinking of him as a hero. Even those we admire can lead us down the wrong path. I am worried that some Sanders voters are similarly wrong in their assessments.

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And only if we fail to recognize the inevitable consequences of a Bernie nomination:

Even if she doesn’t get any of her legislation passed, at least she would retain veto power and the power of appointment to the Supreme Court. That is what I am focusing on.

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Well, let not get ahead of ourselves, 4 years of said investigatiions. A Clinton re-election bid is by no means a guarantee… (there is already Clinton fatigue, add 4 years of scandal, real or imagined, and this becomes even more difficult.

Hisorical trends weigh heavy here and 2020 is an even more consequential election. As a general rule a president’s approval goes down once in office. HRCs numbers can’t sustain such losses.

At best we get to replace a SC justice or 2, but short of death, none of the real bad actors there (Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Roberts) are going anywhere. So we cover RBGs retirement, maybe Breyer takes his chance to retire. (still a loss as no way we can match RBG). Maybe we are +1 with a Kennedy retirement.

Loosing the house for another decade is a hard pill to swallow.

Sure Bernie will have an age issue come re-election time. I expect that he would choose a worthy VP able to take the reigns for 2020, and see where things are as the time approaches. I don’t see HRC leaving a political climate conducive her VP having a chance (in 2020 or 2024)

Let me clarify. I don’t trust her. That is enough to fill me with “dread.”