If she is going to go around and talk up Bill’s record, while shitting on Obama’s, I’d prefer she sits on the sidelines and let the real Democrats do the heavy lifting for the midterms.
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What’s disingenuous? You know who’s “playing with us”? The media, by selectively choosing which quotes to focus on, then ginning up the outrage with bullshit headlines like “Clinton distancing herself from Obama”. That’s called “playing with us”.
And how did Hillary Clinton manage to force the media to cover every single damn thing she says?
We are getting played. Not by Clinton. And we’re falling for every hook line and sinker that the media toss out there. It’s ridiculous.
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I agree with you on the part of the WSJ ginning up outrage in general but on this point, Clinton is creating the outrage herself by being honest. What we’re reading is her telling us where she’s really coming from. Look, if this were 1999, I’d be in the bipartisan camp, myself. But that ship has long since sailed and if she doesn’t see that OR if she thinks she can somehow “rise above it” she’s not fit for the office.
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Offering cuts to Social Security was probably Obama’s biggest mistake. Old people vote, and many approaching retirement now are people who were doing fine until 2008, and then lost their retirement savings, their jobs, their home, or all three. To then offer to cut their remaining lifeline in old age, Social Security, showed incredible callousness. Earned benefits like Social Security are not just some bargaining chip. Fortunately, that seems to have been the low point of the Obama administration and the end of the disastrous deals. I will be watching Hillary’s stand on Social Security, Medicare, and Obama-style bad deals. It would be hard to get me to vote Republican, but not hard at all to get me to stay home election day if the Dems sound like Republicans and Republican enablers.
It ain’t just the Right pouncing on every remark.
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Who else could she be talking about with this quote:
“I mean, some people can paint a beautiful vision,” she said. “And,
thankfully, we can all learn from that. But then, can you, with the
tenacity, the persistence, the getting-knocked down/getting-back-up
resilience, can you lead us there?”
Clearly, she is trying to push the same nonsense as she did in 2008 that all Obama has is pretty speeches. When, in fact, Obama got more done than her in the Senate and he has now gotten more done than Bill did while president. The Clintons are so afraid that Obama’s accomplishments are going to diminish Bill’s presidency that they are smearing him as a do-nothing president.
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This is what’s wrong with this kind of reporting. A politician says “blah blah” and then the reporter writes “in an apparent swipe at…” when there is no swipe at all. Don’t bury her on the bogus interpretations of the WSJ which were designed to undermine her support among dems. Don’t be suckers.
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I don’t see that she thinks she can rise above it–she points out how often Obama has reached out, to no avail, and then says that you still have to keep on trying. If she’d said “Eff the GOP, I’ll go it alone!” can you imagine the sheer level of outrage for that remark? It’d be the end of her sorta,kinda campaign. What else could she have said?
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Every time Democrats reach out to Republicans, the Republicans move farther to the right. Mainstream Republicans are afraid to compromise on anything, because - if they do - they will have a Tea Party challenger and endless hate mail. Tea Partiers don’t want compromise, because all they really want is to tear the place down. It’s time for some change I can believe in. I didn’t get it from Obama and I certainly won’t get it from Hillary Clinton.
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How about a return to sanity and balanced budgets?
Yup…we can count on Hillary to sell out Democratic principals in the name of “bipartisanship”, just like Bill did with little gifts like NAFTA. She’s already very busy pushing the next disastrous trade act ( behind the scenes, of course!)
Where Bill triangulated, she’ll straddle. And we will all lose while the 1% prosper.
And if you don’t think that her Pro Free Trade stance is going to be an issue, you have another thing comin’.
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It’s not selling fine. She’s oustelling nobodies from the GOP but it is selling way less than Obama’s books prior to presidency and her previous book. Considering she has 100% name recognition and the book is clearly the the first step in her presidential run, it’s doing horribly.
What exactly did you think I was saying? Sounds to me like you’re responding to something I didn’t say.
Of course, she should stop criticizing Obama at this point (and maybe forever). If she plans to be the leader of her party, she needs to work for the good of her party-- NOW.
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Hmmm. Was she talking about the same person that she spoke of here?
"Scroll to the bottom of the piece and you’ll find Clinton sounding far less critical (and cryptic) on the current president’s bipartisan record. Nicholas quoted Clinton at the Colorado event as saying that Obama has “worked so hard and reached out so often, and it gets discouraging because you don’t feel like you’re getting much back.” "
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In general, I agree that the trad media plays the Left by getting us to the circular firing squad position. However, with HRC, the wounds are oftentimes self-inflicted. If she believes there’s some middle ground that she can capture with the Right or that the majority of the country is clamoring for that middle ground, she’ll be in same place she was in 2008.
As I said before, the so-called compromise that Obama put forward in 2011, thinking that the majority of the country would see them as willingness to get things done, went over like a lead balloon even to those in the mushy middle.
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Hillary’s problem is that she lets her advisors tell her what positions to hold whereas Obama was the one who set the vision and policy for his campaign for better and worse. Hillary’s too dependent on what advisors tell her will sell in the general election and if she isn’t careful she’s going to lose the Democratic nomination to someone who doesn’t let their campaign be dictated by advisors.
She is not, as someone commented above, an adroit politician. And one has to question her judgment about advisors. If Mark Penn is on board at any point, then my misgivings towards her will grow, exponentially.
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The media forced Hillary to take that swipe at Obama? How’d they manage that?
I’m saying that with the stuff she’s been saying lately and her inability to learn anything from Obama kicking her ass in 2008, I don’t want her working for the party now. Nothing she is saying is going to help us in the midterms. She should just keep on giving speeches for money and trying to sell her book.
Let’s leave GOTV for the midterms to O’Malley and others who know how to talk up Obama’s accomplishments, criticize the GOP and get voters excited to vote for Dems in November.
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How is mentioning that he’s reached out to Republicans “so many times” taking a swipe at Obama? Yes, she made the comment about beautiful speeches, but then went on to point out how many times he’s reached out.
She has a tin ear. Which may just sink her candidacy, if she does run, because what gets reported, to the glee of both sides of the fight is stuff like “Clinton distances herself from Obama” which then gets translated into “Hillary is bashing Obama”.
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