Discussion: Cheney Throws Bush Under The Bus On Torture Program

I hope you’re wrong but I fear you’re not. At the very least, I think we have to recognize that most people’s moral principles are pretty elastic.

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What do you expect from a prick like Cheney. That he would try and protect his friend…He does not have any friends. There are people that are useful to him, and those that are not.

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They still do.

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John Yoo.
You’re thinking of the Deadwood corpse disposal guy.
Though I can see how you might confuse them!

jw1

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Cheney is terrified that we the people find out how complicit he was in 9-11.

I believe there is a positive chance that certain members of the administration thought there was to be up to ten hijackings of domestic airliners on that day, followed by the administration, like heroes, swooping in and “saving” Americans and setting up the hyperbolic ramping up of the security state.

Instead, per Condi Rice, who stated that “they” did not think hijackers would fly aircraft into buildings, the hijackers got one up on the meth-addled deserter’s administration. That scenario would go a long way to explaining administrators stopping flying commercial aircraft, Bush the lessor’s famous rejection of intelligence and his curious statement on learning of the first crash “must have been a bad pilot”, which, to me as a pilot is completely out of place.

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Two notes about Cheney:

  1. Going all the way back to the 1970s, Cheney was known for being one of the very few government officials who eagerly volunteered to take time to participate in nuclear war drills, like where he would spend a whole weekend in a bunker pretending WW3 was going on. Most politicians and senior appointees avoided such things like the plague. Partly because they didn’t like to think about WW3, partly because they are incredibly busy people and that’s a lot of time to lose, partly because they didn’t think it was fun to sit in a bunker for 3 days straight. Cheney actually sought those war games out.

  2. Even BEFORE the 9/11 attacks, David Addington, Cheney’s lawyer, carried on his person at all times: 1) a pocket Constitution; and 2) a pocket reference card he had prepared that listed key emergency powers and authorizing statutes that the executive branch could use in case of attacks or other emergencies. Again, not post 9/11, but before.

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A select few in the CIA “going rogue”.

This is kind of reminiscent of Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men: “You’re goddamn right I ordered the code red!” Give Cheney a mic and some attention and pretty soon he’ll admit that he WAS behind 9/11 after all. (Tongue in cheek, don’t worry.)

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GW will retreat to the bathtub and paint a picture of sad clown.

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If it was good enough for Jack Bauer on ‘24’?
Then that’s good enough for Republicans!

Not a damn thing that can’t be solved in 60 minutes of primetime (including commercial breaks).

jw1

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One of the few things Dick Head has ever done that I like, tossing shrub in front of the “E” train as it pulls into 14th street. Priceless.

Cheney has only just begun to throw Bush under the bus

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That was exactly why Cheney said he and Bush had to be interviewed together before the 9/11 Commission. Can you see Bush saying “well, yes, lots of people like George Tenet were harassing us about being attacked on our soil, but we thought that was just dumb”, or “we thought the attacks were coming from overseas, damned if those pesky guys did not hijack planes right here”, followed by dopey laugh Jon Stewart imitates so well. I’d love to know how much talking Bush actually did in that interview. We’ll never know though, no one could take notes, there was not transcript allowed, and no one can even talk about it. Imagine if Obama and Biden did that?..

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And the other reason, of course, is that both the President and the AG are Black; I hate to think what would happen in this country if both men tried to charge the preceding Presidential “team” for their atrocities and human rights violations.

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I actually think that race had little or nothing to do with the decisions not to prosecute or seek impeachment. Remember, when the impeachment question came up, Obama was just a junior Senator from Illinois.

Not that the scenario you paint doesn’t hold a kernel of possible reality…I just think the decision to leave the Bushies alone was already made well before Obama selected Holder as AG.

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Dick Cheney - only following orders.

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Yeah, if your (I don’t mean you) first instinct is to treat the torture of human beings as a part of the normal political discourse, than what you said makes perfect sense. Which tells us a lot about how strong the convictions of the current administration are about torture and war crimes.

Maybe if the precedent were set, future presidents would be less likely to commit war crimes. That would be a terrible precedent to set.

Beat me to it. I copied the exact same thing you quoted and was fixing to paste it and comment.

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I was stunned and amazed when all the negotiation was going down. There was so little push back. That was such a huge tell that they were into some seriously bad stuff up to their necks.

But then again, inviting the ambassador of the country that just attacked us to the WH to hang out and smoke cigars on the balcony as they watched the Pentagon burn was such an offense, and which Bush received NO criticism…hell, the media refused to even touch that part of the story…I knew we were truly and deeply screwed as a country.

That act, combined with the absurd testimony, not under oath, no notes allowed, and only if Cheney can chaperon him, makes it really hard to dismiss out of hand the theory that the Bushies weren’t complicit in some manner with the attacks.

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Wait, there are gold bricks in Cracker Jack boxes? That one went right by me.