[quote=“anthony, post:58, topic:87171”]
How he looks is not the issue. What he says and how he says it is. People age differently, some retaining a sharp mind into their 90’s. Nancy Pelosi is 78 and she has, for my mind, the sharpest mind in politics. Would that she could be President.[/quote]
If I could teleport Speaker Pelosi into office to replace Trump, I’d wave that magic wand, sure. But there is a difference between aging into an office like she has, and running a third attempt for President at Biden’s age. Or Bernie’s age. Or even Warren, although the actuarial life tables favor women a bit more.
I’m 65 by the way, not that this is an automatic pass on ageism, but I don’t think it’s ageist to point out that mental ability declines for everyone, some more than others.
It’s also not ageist to point out that purely on optics, Dems might be looking for someone fresh, someone younger this time around. The optics of two old white men debating each other on stage are very different from the optics of say, Harris vs. Trump. Or Beto, or Buttigieg. Elections are won on 2/3 marketing and 1/3 policy, and that may even be generous on the policy side.
I think he’s a promising young fellow who needs to run for the Senate and spend a few years there before running for president and also that he needs to get out of Indiana more often.
Well that doesn’t answer my question, but thank you – and I don’t take exception to your points, except the Indiana thing. Not sure that’s a real issue in Buttigieg’s case.
Yes, you have an active imagination. Why not let Biden campaign and see if there is any evidence to support your “imagination”.
For my part, I will not respond in kind to your labeling of my opinion as “stupid”.
I noted in an earlier comment that you did say that you would support Biden if he won the nomination. On that I find common ground between us. And I will add that I would support Kirsten Gillibrand against Trump in a heartbeat if she were the nominee. Even though I object to her on both character and electability grounds.
Living in a whiter than average Republican state skews your perception of the importance of the votes of white people nationally. I’m from Kaintuck. I’ve had this conversation with my homefolk repeatedly. They never seem to believe it’s possible for a PoC to win because their whole day to day life is interacting with red state white people.
Biden voted for the Iraq War. Biden got one of the most pivotal foreign policy issues of the last 50 years completely wrong. Sanders got it right.
If you advocate for war, like Joe did, people can rightly call you a war monger.
If you advocate for credit card companies rights over peoples rights, like Joe did, people can rightly call you a bankster.
If you denigrate women, like Joe did to Anita Hill, people can call you a sexist POS.
Bernie didn’t create any of those terms. Joe Biden’s past is all his, and he’s going to have to face the consequences of what’s he’s done, just like all the rest of the candidates.
I’m a sexist piece of shit? How cute. I’d answer those…ah…accusations against me, however, myself and the vast majority of the people that post here know full well that you’re a troll, so you’re not really worth my time.
This is what I’m talking about. How the hell did you infer that from what I said? Like, I literally said nothing about whether I would support a white guy and I’m in fact supporting a white guy. What you said makes zero sense.
A good, solid Democratic platform ought to appeal to all working people. Health care, criminal justice reform, jobs, equal pay, environmental protection, comprehensive immigration reform.
Oh yeah, infrastructure.
Focus on the right issues and the voters will come to us.
I hear you and yah, we are golden with the Obama coalition, but part of that coalition was a not insubstantial smattering of white working class people, who didn’t come out for Clinton. We’ve got to get at least a portion of those votes back or we lose again.
In 2012, Obama lost whites without a college degree nationally by 25 points. Four years later, Clinton did 6 points worse, losing these voters by 31 points, with shifts against her in Rust Belt states generally double or more the national average.
Had Clinton hit the thresholds of support within this group that Obama did, she would have carried, with robust margins, the states of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Iowa, as well as (with narrower margins) Florida and Ohio. In fact, if Clinton could simply have reduced the shift toward Donald Trump among these voters by one-quarter, she would have won.
This. And add infrequent voters who are vaguely in the middle, and who are seeing this regime for what it is. There are a lot of votes there. Many came out in '08 as well.
Add to your excellent list, Joe is a Dem and would not be anti-choice, anti-support for women and children (head start etc.) Seems like donald supporters want to have a pregnancy (all pregnancys) come to term and one second after that remove any and all support and benefits for the resulting child.
All the more reason you should stick around. Yours is one of the voices I always try to read. Pls don’t desert the messages and leave to only “white guys talking to white guys”. please.
Wonder how many people just remained at home because Nate Silver kept projecting Hillary had a 90% chance of winning. Wonder how many POC were prevented from voting due to unreasonably long lines, obstruction to voting and due to troll targeting with things like “both candidates are just the same” and didn’t I hear some FB targets about all Black people should boycott the vote… I guess here is a bit of background from 2016:
When I was canvassing for 2018 I specifically remember talking to 3 young black women who didn’t want to vote or weren’t registered…they were just indifferent. The old people I encountered regardless of color were very determined voters. One of the young woman – did she listen to me when I told here that it was Black woman that got Doug Jones elected and they may be considered one of the most powerful voting blocks in the future? Will these young ladies vote in 2020? How can they be reached? Meaning getting through that Millennial indifference.
In the end, IMO donald’s win in 2016 was a black swan event - or as this article put it:
“Most fundamentally, even though the extraordinary significance of the outcome seems to call out for an equally weighty explanation, it appears in the end to have turned at least as much on trivial matters as profound ones.”
In 2020 if the economy is good and with all his cheating and all the other GOP games he would be formidable. I hope those who have posted here that he won’t be in office in 2020 to run are right.
