Sorry. I will avoid responding to you in the future.
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Yup, either we have to get some of those folks back, or make up for their loss elsewhere, which isnât easy. Iâm guessing itâs gonna have to be some of both.
People are right to warn against putting too much focus on trying to win back white working class Trump voters, as many arenât coming back â theyâve gone over to the dark side, and they like it there.
But there are also the folks who had voted for Obama in 2008 and/or 2012 but who just stayed home in 2016, and these are a perfectly logical group to target for 2020 â not at the expense of other groups, but in addition to them.
Bottom line: Thereâs a big difference between âwe donât need to win a majority of white working class voters in order to winâ and âWe donât need any white working class voters in order to win the presidency.â The former is certainly true, the latter is highly dubious.
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Sorry Joeâwhy donât you retire with honor for your many years of service and leave the rest to younger people?
Yep, I am SO tired of hearing about âmiddle Americansâ, âworking class Americansâ, and the âheartlandâ. These are all coded references to certain working and middle class white Xtians, most of them racists to one extent or another, who live outside big cities, and while fine with the technology and diversions of modernity, refuse to get with the moral and cultural parts of modernity that require (yes, itâs simply NOT negotiable) that they abandon their white Xtian tribalism and just accept others for who and what they are and stop acting like theyâre special and deserve special treatment because theyâre white Xtians. Whenever pols or the media refer to such people, this is what they actually mean, and it sickens me. These people are no worse, but theyâre also no better.
Yes, however we will have more and more and more as it appears TPM and the MSM in general want to force the Democratic race to Biden, Bernie and possibly Buttigieg.
Must have a horse race, ideas, especially new ideas are not wanted and are discouraged.
Status Quo is demanded.
Must have white men, women and POC not desired, other than tokens.
FWIW, those working class Americans are going to be mostly POC by 2032 according to BLS projections here:
âBased on long-term labor force projections from the Bureau of Labor Statistics and continuation of trends in college completion among different demographic groups, the working class is projected to become majority people of color in 2032. This is 11 years sooner than the Census Bureau projection for the entire population and seven years sooner than the transition for all working-age adults (18 to 64 years old)â
Either way, itâs inherently racist to presume that âworking classâ means white working class. Itâs usually used that way, but that itself is a racist presumption by the media and pundits. Itâs basically saying that there are ârealâ Americans, and those âotherâ Americans. This bias is baked into our culture and most people donât even notice or are bothered by it. It absolutely permeates the media, entertainment culture, and advertising.
Ah, I see what you are getting at now. Yes!
It will be interesting to see how long it takes the media to drop that reference as a code for white people as the transition to mostly POC in that role, wonât it? Not to mention awkward.
We are not going to get white people who didnât come out for Clinton back by nominating someone white people think is âsafe.â We are not getting the people who went from Obama to Romney back unless thereâs another recession.
Well obviously. And I wasnât talking across the board about white voters who didnât go for Clinton, only the lost Obama voters â and he wasnât a âsafeâ candidate to a whole lotta white people, many of them Democrats. There were the Obama primary wars too and endless people convinced he couldnât win and adamant about it. Iâm sure you ran into that. We all did. And it was a war here on this board too.
But who the candidate should be now is a whole different discussion, not part of what I was talking about and I have no idea who the candidate should be. I have some idea of who people are tending toward, and some candidates of course appeal to me more than others, but when it comes to whoâs right and whoâs going to be able to beat Trump, I just donât know. A lot of people seem to think itâs Biden and only Biden because they believe he could reignite the Obama coalition. I donât love the idea of Biden, Iâd prefer someone whoâs not going to turn into an octogenarian his first term, but if he takes off and the conventional wisdom about him seems to be proving true, Iâm right there.
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Joe Biden couldnât resist running for President, but I will find it easy to resist voting for him.