Dems Announce Two Articles Of Impeachment: Abuse Of Power And Obstruction | Talking Points Memo

How so? Because of all the blowjobs he’s been assigned to give the Saudis or what?

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If I recall Nixon impeachment hearings properly, multiple counts are not only possible but likely.

I see Pelosi et al did not release the two articles. They described them and said they’d be drawn up in committee this week.

Judiciary Committee has long had reputation for being left-leaning. We can anticipate:

  1. Specific counts will be enumerated under each article.

  2. Some committee Democrats will try to add Mueller findings under ‘abuse of power”

  3. Some committee Democrats will try to add additional articles, perhaps around emoluments.

Of course Jordan et al will be jumping up and down and raging. Key will be how Nadler keeps this circus together.

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I wish this were true, but this is a dangerously false belief. The entire Republican Party is made up of Trumps, and most of them are smarter and more ideological. Ted Cruz finished second, and he is a sociopath and liar of the highest order. Tom Cotton has his eyes on the White House. And there are so many others that come out of hopelessly gerrymandered districts.

The idea that this is a Trump problem, full stop, is how we lose our republic. This is a Republican problem, and has been for a long time, and Trump is just the latest and most overt symptom.

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Quite simply, it’s the right thing to do.

It’s also about the Democratic Party and the contrast with the Republicans.

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I suspect it will immediately be squirreled away in his secret super-duper triple-locked, decoder-ring reinforced, high capacity server for incriminating pResidential transcripts by his loyal toady, Eisenberg. Just a guess. There will definitely be no Vindman there to take notes or overhear the process from a remote location. I think we’ll have to wait for the readout from Moscow after they’ve cleaned it up a bit here and there of course.

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And just what will they do with that additional information? Impeach him a second time? I think not.

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Guess you missed Guiliani’s visit last week to Ukraine to continue doing exactly the same thing, despite an active impeachment underway for doing it.

Nothing will stop him, because he is sure that the senate will just roll over for him anyways.

At this point, the only question is just how much more extreme his next action will be, because the one constant of his time has been that, just when you thought you’d seen the worst, he comes up with something even worse.

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Yes. It may be time to start aiming and firing at the Republican party as a whole if they run a sham trial. Absent his resignation, Trump is on the ticket next year. That means he is inevitably the elephant in the room; no one will be able to ignore him. The next step is to publicize the Republican complicity in Trump’s crimes.

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This is just the beginning. As more hearings take place, more articles can be put forward, based on those hearings.

As the old expression goes, we’ve just begun to fight.

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He’s immortal and invincible in his own eyes.

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The Nazis were their match. The Nazis lied and lied and lied some more. When they got in lies, they doubled down with bigger and bolder lies. That is who the modern Republicans are emulating. They are fascists, and we have history to show us what fascists will do.

And no idea how strong they really are, but we’re fooling ourselves if we think they’ll ever stop … or that they’ll let democratic elections get in their way.

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I agree he is a symptom, not a cause. I just don’t see any others that hit the GOPs fetid sweet spot nationally as well as Trump does. Hannity, maybe? Has to be a TV veteran, at least.

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This is grossly disingenuous…

Schiff pointed out that it had taken eight months for a single court ruling over former White House Counsel Don McGahn’s testimony.

unfortunately, I can’t find the actual quote, in order to determine if the reporter, or Schiff himself, is telling falsehoods.

While it is true that the McGahn subpoena was issued april 22, witha response date of May 7, the courts had nothing to do with the case until August 7 (three months later). Moreover, the schedule for the case was requested by the House lawyers in a joint motion with Team Trump, on Aug 30 – and that schedule meant that oral arguments were not heard until Oct 31… the decision came down three weeks later (and by agreement between the House and Team Trump, covered only the question of whether McGahn had to show up in response to the subpoena).

So three weeks worth of “blame” in the McGahn case belongs to the courts – the rest is the result of decisions made by the House leadership and the lawyers they control.

ETA: Schiff is the liar here. At about the 10:25 mark, Schiff starts blaming the court for the fact that it took “eight months” – and he repeats it.

As I noted, it has been the decisions of the House leadership that has been the cause of the delays – and the House leadership has chosen not to attempt steps that could speed up the process. Blaming the courts, rather than acknowledging that the House’s leadership strategy is to blame, makes one question what the real leadership agenda is…

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They won’t try again because they’ll be terrified of fatiguing the “moderates.” This is their only shot.

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The forces that made him and sustain him are what scare me most.

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Sport recognizes Game.

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Whenever I get down about things, I wander over to check…

These are not the tweets from someone celebrating the Dems caving and being weak in their impeachment, and an assured victory.

Which then makes me think that the debbie-downers on here might not be totally on target.

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Yeah, I also don’t see a clear successor. Cruz seems the most obvious, since he probably would have won the nomination last time had it not been for Trump. I’m not convinced Cotton has the charisma to win a national election, but again, I also thought Trump had no chance through most of last cycle. Political gravity has drastically changed.

This is all also presuming that our elections are fair. I don’t think that’s a safe assumption at all anymore, given that Republicans are finally really taking their masks off.

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No, I’m aware of it. That’s just Giuliani doing his usual Giuliani gig. The main goal is to fatten his bank account, not actually gain anything useful for Trump at this point.

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There are some who are infected with impeachment fatigue already and the process has really only just begun.

What I want to see, again (because I keep saying it) - what is the impact on the polls? It’s been documented in the comments that the initial Schiff hearings did little to move the needle (I had a WAPO article linked yesterday that said this). The RW Wurlitzer is already wound up and constantly repeating how bad this process is. The RW Wurlitzer can’t defend the President’s actions, but they can hammer on the process and that’s what they’re doing.

Somehow this has to break through. Somehow.

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