Those are hardly contradictory statements.
Correct. Now, what other evidence of criminal conspiracy to commit murder or whatever are you relying on? How plausible is it that the totality of that evidence is likely to establish the existence of said conspiracy? And is it consistent with the totality of the known facts of the case?
Weasel words.
There’s plenty of evidence that is suggestive of something conspiratorial having taken place to arrive at a dead Epstein. None of it is a smoking gun.
That has nothing to do with whether is is correct to say that there is no evidence.
If the goal is to have the guy killed, putting him in prison and under the authority of the federal courts and the U.S. Bureau of prisons is one hell of a way to go about it.
“Suggestive” is a pretty low threshold for conspiracy mongering.
Um, so, I guess I stupidly thought prisons were overly monitored places? At this point, I’m assuming there’s less digital “watching” than at your typical London intersection. The most shocking thing about the Epstein story is that you could either get murdered or commit suicide in the middle of a prison without anyone knowing. I realize some people really hate extensive CCTV arrays, but you kind of give up the right to debate that after crossing the prison threshold, don’t you?
Yes but in order to break your neck hanging yourself you have to engineer a fall now tell me how he did that in a jail cell.
I have no idea. Neither do you.
ETA: Better to say I have no information. I can speculate, of course, but that wouldn’t be productive.
Nope I don’t but I’m pretty damn sure that was impossible.
Was there a bed with an upper bunk?
Don’t know but he’d have to have jumped off it to make this work to break his neck multiple times and I still can’t imagine it working.
You can kick the chair out from under you and still not break your neck. Ex: my cousin.
Per the New York Post:
Jeffrey Epstein was found hanging in his lower Manhattan jail cell with a bedsheet wrapped around his neck and secured to the top of a bunk bed, The Post has learned.
The convicted pedophile, who was 6 feet tall, apparently killed himself by kneeling toward the floor and strangling himself with the makeshift noose, law enforcement sources said Monday. He hadn’t been checked on for several hours, sources said.
Right, breaking the neck in a hanging, as discussed earlier in the thread, takes a drop of roughly 5 feet depending on weight and build. Of course he didn’t break his neck, but the hyoid bone in his throat which is a different issue.
I read his neck was broken in more than one place.
That’s what we do, we speculate. It’s an internet board, not a grand jury. We’re all just sitting around jerking off, more or less. Relax a bit.
All I had heard about was the hyoid bone, which I understand is more often broken in event of strangulation than hanging, but not unheard of in hangings. From the study I posted earlier it looks like it breaks in ~15% of hangings, although that number goes up if you roll in other sorts of damage to the laryngohyoid area.
I read 3 places.
But since everybody has to stretch this to find their own answer to it it’s obvious it’s not just what it appears.
Or maybe it is but I tend to take Trump’s projections at face value and I haven’t been wrong yet. hahahaha
If only Albert Pierrepoint were still with us…
Good one - looks like the expert bar none when alive.
I know nothing!
I thought you were just asking how someone could engineer a fall in a jail cell.
Upper bunk seemed an obvious possibility to me, but beyond that I can’t say.
Sorry to hear about your cousin’s trials and tribulations.
O it got worse and he ended up dying of a heart attack in his 70s after he smashed himself up driving his car into a bridge abutment.
Thanks. We were not close at all - I barely knew him.