I’m embarrassed that I didn’t recognize the outlines of that all too familiar set-up- the “party” at which you are the only guest- until you pointed it out. I think it is significant.
That case you say in on- was the friend warned off by a someone trying to protect the friend or an ally of the assailants making sure their victim would be isolated?
Both. – the guy gave the warning to his girlfriend but attended the party.
I want him confirmed after a horrible spectacle next week. And then I want him impeached when we take back the House. Let him be humiliated in a Senate reality show trial like Ford will be next week in that hearing. He’ll finally have some idea of what a gang rape feels like and what he put his victims through when he lured innocent young girls with alcohol into a bedroom.
You don’t get a mulligan for having acted like a self-satisfied, superior predator as a youth or a Supreme Court Justice. Date rape is never legitimate just because you went on to become a judge. Preying on the innocent, poor or sick might be the centerpiece of the Prosperity Gospel, but it’s not ever excused in a Constitutional republic, you fine upstanding Christian Right hypocrite.
Criminal acts require criminal charges. Go ahead and tempt fate just one more time.
I expect the encounter was no 10-20 second “oopsie … excuse me…I’ll leave now” episode.
I am pretty sure it will all be outlined in painful detail on Monday before the Senators and the tv public.
Ugh. The worst possible answer.
I know. I’m about the same age they are, fifty-two now. I can’t imagine what I would have done if something like this had happened to me when I was fifteen. When you’re fifteen, a seventeen-year-old seems old. A fifteen-year-old is a baby.
Oh they can run it . . . straight off a cliff and into the ground!
She was not lured into that bedroom – she was shoved into it while on her way to the bathroom after one beer.
And remember that the woman in this debacle has taken a lie detector test and has her thetapist’s notes from years ago as evidence and Kavanaugh has drunken memories of that “party” for himself and friends. Having been a scientist myself I would go with the paper trail rather than alcohol infused memories.
Most of it is glorified stereotypes in popular culture, social media and porn. There is still very little practical advice being distributed in schools, churches and at home where kids could ask questions and get sound answers about sex and forming healthy relationships. Hell, they’re still pushing abstinence instead of safe sex in most school districts across the country.
Very little about LGBT culture is discussed within any of our institutions. We have lots of images and opinions but very few honest discussions. Sex must always be treated as something secret or taboo which just opens the door for all kinds of predators to operate in obscurity.
Just talking with the more legal viewpoint. We don’t know what might have inspired her to come forth to her therapist, either, and those things are questionable as well. Does certainly lend credence to establishing that this is not some lately made-up story, but it’s also not contemporaneous with the event.
If he had gone with a more nuanced position, that something may have happened, but he remembers it differently from her, I don’t think he’d have any problems with his nomination. Then, a hearing might only really establish that two drunk teenagers in a room perceive things like consent differently.
The only thing that makes this a big deal is that he has taken such an unequivocal stance in opposition that it makes it clear that one of them Has to be lying. And if it’s him, then he should never be on the Supreme Court.
Anyone can pass one with some training, and most sociopaths can pass them in their sleep.
I think you are spot on.
Times have changed and (finally!) old, white, entitled, Republican men are starting to be seen for the desperate, hypocritical liars they are. There are many signs that this woman is more than credible. And, in contrast, Kavanaugh has been caught lying more than once. Who to believe? The MeToo movement has the odds on her side. So be it, ffs.
Prediction: Collins, Murkowski, and Flake will vote for Kavanaugh – by 2 out of 3 at least, with the possible dissension, if it occurs, being pure theatre. And every other R senator will vote for Kavanaugh.
It is obvious. Kavanaugh had already proven him self to be, currently, a sly asshole, and every R senator has the requisite profound cynicism to just get on with the swearing-in already, with a little useful bogus theatre en route. Why stop now?
Yep.
And because the lady has that paper trail even if legally not 100%, that still ought to be better than a drunken memory that has become … absolutely never cuz I never met her and she was three states away at the time. Either the ‘party’ happened or it didn’t. And if any of the others involved say it did then he is caught in a lie worthy of trump.
There is one organization which presents complete, comprehensive, and honest information - the Unitarian-Universalist churches, who run a program called OWL (Our Whole Lives). In that program, always presented by married church members who have been trained in the material, complete information is presented. It is open to any adolescent regardless of whether they are members of the church or not. It’s got all the information - you put a condom on a banana, they present information about LGBTQ, hetero sex, all that stuff.
I’m a UU - its a good program. All my kids went through it. UCC (United Church of Christ or Unitarians Considering Christ) also use the OWL program.
There is plenty to explore in the culture at the all-boys Georgetown Preparatory School in that period and how Kavanaugh participated in drinking culture to the point of losing consciousness and memory. In contrast, much of what Christine Blasey Ford can offer is already on the record, equivalent with “I was crossing the intersection on a green light and got t-boned by this guy.” Not much prelude.
Kavanaugh seems to be an opportunistic impulse rapist. Orrin Hatch’s argument that we should consider all the women he didn’t rape probably won’t fly because, as an opportunistic impulse rapist, Kavanaugh needed to be in a situation where the possibility to rape presented itself and he was in the mood. As an adult, he may have learned to channel his dangerous impulses elsewhere such as a gambling and avoid opportunity-rich environments (although not in his early years at Yale yet). There is a red line in any society that defines the outer limits of tolerated youthful indiscretion and sexual awkwardness, beyond which is only felonious unconscionable behavior. The forceable muffling of Ford’s screams and attempts to drown them out suggests strongly an intent to proceed with the rape.
Kavanaugh will be finished before then.
“Her credibility” - why would any woman come forward exposing her identity, knowing that the Republicans would put her through the wringer, if she were just making stuff up?
And Prof. Ford’s shrink or family therapist or whoever it was she discussed this with, as further corroboration that it occurred and was traumatizing to her. And her husband.