Trump To Announce Move On Census Citizenship Question | Talking Points Memo

At some point, people should realize that Nancy Pelosi is just a politician. That’s not a moral judgment. It’s a statement of fact. A car salesman is a car salesman. His/her job is to sell cars. His/her methods include hustling customers every which way possible to sell cars. Some statements might be true. Some might not be. They might offer you some deals. They might be passing you some light scams. In between there’s a lot of fluff and manipulation. But I’m fairly certain most car salesmen are decent people and take care of their families etc.

A politician exists to get re-elected first, serve the constituency second, serve the needs of the Republic third. All Nancy wants to do is to retain her majority. She has made a political calculation to cede power to the ‘moderates’, the 20 or so Dems who sit in districts that Trump narrowly won in 2016, and whose unpopularity gave Dems the chance to win them in 2018. That’s right, we won those districts because Trump is unpopular in purple districts. In a relative sense, she doesn’t care whether Dems win the Presidency or the Senate. They’re ‘nice to haves’ but she wants to be Speaker in 2021, period.

Nancy’s challenge is that she’s being asked to save the Republic and help the national party when she doesn’t want to if it means sidetracking her from her legislative and fundraising goals that she has set to put her members, her ‘majority makers’, in place to win in 2020.

Where she’s mistaken is in thinking that her tactics matter that much in a national election against an incumbent. What drives 2020 will be Trump’s approval rating. Make him less popular and that increases the Dems chances to win in purple districts in 2020. Allow his popularity to grow and your chances diminish. Her own career tells us this. She won in 2006/2008 because Bush was historically unpopular. She lost in 2010, gained seats in 2012, and lost again in 2014 and 16 (minor gains) b/c of Obama’s relative popularity.

Seen in this light, allowing Trump to behave like a dictator and strong man helps Trump. That’s his brand. That’s what he’s selling to folks. Passing that immigration funding bill on GOP terms and timing helped Trump. Letting Trump break norms helps Trump. Not impeaching helps Trump. Not investing in oversight helps Trump. Anything that puts Trump on the defensive helps Dems.

Anything that helps Trump hurts the Dems chances in the House. Anything that hurts Trump helps the Dems chances.

The reason is simple: Presidential approval tells you where Indies will lean and which party will have a relative turnout advantage. When presidential approval is net negative, the opposition party has high turnout and Indies tend to lean to the opposition. When it’s high, the opposite happens.

That impacts purple districts more than red or blue ones. They’re more volatile.

The irony here is if the Dems want to keep the House, they actually need to go harder at Trump. If they want to frame the election, they need to take some of AOC’s ideas on immigration (her promotion of kids in cages and abolishing DHS) and use them to frame the debate on immigration to make Trump’s views less popular. They can then slip in their comprehensive immigration reform (more popular). If you take the immigration issue away from Trump, he has less punch at the ballot box and purple Dems win.

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So, we’re screwed.

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On top of the APA, there’s the little fact that the US Constitution give Congress sole power over the census.
No president has any authority to do anything with the census beyond doing his or her sworn duty to see that the law in enforced as written by Congress.

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They are not powerless. They just refuse to act. I blame the Senate Republicans as much as Trump for this development. There should be a special place in hell for Mitch McConnell.

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Oh, there is. Rest assured that his reservation cannot be cancelled.

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I know the generic polls for Dem v GOP for control of Congress are good, but Presidential approval rating drives Congressional races more than anything else. If we’re not working to harden opposition to Trump, you’re giving him and the GOP which is tethered to him a good chance to win.

For example, if people buy into kids in cages because we shrugged as a party, why wouldn’t they vote for a pro-wall GOPer in Gottheimer’s district in Southern NJ? The wall wasn’t popular in 2018 because Trump wasn’t popular. If Trump is more popular in 2020 is the ‘wall’ such a loser after all? These are just basic things about how politics works in this country that I think Dem leadership often gets wrong.

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We are really getting into La-La Land now. SCOTUS made a decision, Trump is ignoring that, so the recourse is Congressional action (a non-starter in the suck-up Senate) or back to the courts and Roberts, who have no enforcement mechanism. No wonder Trump loves Andrew Jackson. Of course, Trump will likely have to declare a National Emergency again if he does not want a second SCOTUS defeat.

However, this is the funny news of the day.

The White House will be hosting a very big and very important Social Media Summit today.

attended by only right-wing haters and conspiracy freaks, QAnon, James O’Keefe, Rep. Matt Gaetz and Sen Marsha Blackburn, many others, but disinvited pro-Trump and anti-semitic cartoonist Ben Garrison because they thought it might look bad. What?

Starting at 3 pm. Trump speaks at 3:45, then it is over.

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I just hope it is a clean executive order, that he says he doesn’t care what the courts say, he’s instructed the question to be added and it’s being printed already.

At least then we’d have clean lines showing the dictatorship attempt. And see if Roberts will push back to enforce the power of the courts.

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I really hate these pre-announcement announcements. Instead of just “Trump has announced X” we are treated to “Later today, Trump will announce X” followed by “Trump is announcing X” and then by “earlier today, Trump announced X”. It’s a ploy to dominate the coverage all day long.

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Exactly!

It’s been done before, and he’ll do it now.

@rick, It’s almost as if he saw it on a reality tv show somewhere.

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Since it is facially contrary to last month’s Supreme Court decision, the EO will be stayed by a federal court judge. It probably will be stayed in a day or two. The EO case will drag on, and rendered moot by passage of time.

In short, the EO is a cynical political stunt by Don the Con and his henchman Barr to appease deplorable GOP cultists.

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The EO will be immediately stayed by a federal court judge, and it will disappear into a memory hole. This is a cynical stunt.

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This isn’t just aboit Roberts. Agree or not, SCOTUS has ruled against the addition. The order to block the EO should be unanimous if the conservatives on the court want to hold onto any power they think they have.

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Things I’ve seen on the Interwebs:™

Years ago, after the death of Rehnquist, I saw a post from a commenter on another website to the effect of, “May he spend eternity standing in the Lake of Fire. Licking the sweat off of Richard Nixon’s balls.”

I wish I remembered the handle of said poster, but I lift a glass to him or her just the same whenever I recall how quaint our outrage at the likes of W or Rehnquist or even Cheney seems in comparison with what we’re faced with today. I’ll bet Cheney’s wondering why he ever bothered being discreet or nuanced.

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A distinction without a difference.

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This is what trump does over and over. I’m betting Barr told him the court fight is basically over especially since their too cute by half trick of replacing the lawyers has failed. So in typical fashion trump makes an announcement that forces everyone to scramble to find another out before he blows up the world. I’m sure he is also yelling “MAKE IT HAPPEN”.

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Pelosi and Nadler will get to work on hardening opposition to Trump, oh, sometime.

Like I said, we’re screwed. Nixon would have killed to have the Democratic opposition Trump enjoys.

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Go for it, ya dumb fuck!

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What’s to stop him? What can the Supreme Court do or say to stop trump? What are the penalties, fines, arrests? Who would arrest trump over this? If trump tells his quislings, “Don’t worry about it- I’ll give you all pardons.” What will it take to stop this?

His admin ignores lawful subpoenas. They lie, obfuscate and demean our institutions.

Well, there is nothing that can stop trump. And he’s fully aware of that.

Any ideas that would actually work?

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Sorry, forgot the sarcasm tag. Never happened, but Hannity’s potato-head would surely explode if it did.

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