Just because TPM ain’t covering it doesn’t mean it’s not been happening:
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Manchin is on tv right now, holding court with a large contingent of reporters. Peter Alexander from MSNBC/NBC just asked him about what he put in the July letter, was he now dismissing everything that was in there. Well, he apparently had no idea at all that they were expecting to put all of this into a reconciliation bill.
As far as reconciliation being cut down to $1.5 trillion “anything above that should be taken out on the campaign trail next year. We’ve got plenty of time, there’s no need to rush this through now.”
He also just said “I am not a liberal, I never have been. I’ve been Governor, Secretary of State, state legislator, senator. I have never voted liberal. I am a conservative.”
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I do. Here she is describing what a default would do to people’s lives. Yesterday.
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careful Matt … he´s already vulnerable to depression.
He´s got a brain the size of a planet and they`ve got him doing this.
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Ok, I will concede to a point. However, with the daily hammering of ‘no’ from the GQP, where’s the daily hammering of 14th Amendment ‘shall not be questioned’?
This is the key to winning the public opinion. If the GQP can continually use ‘tax and spend’, why aren’t we using ‘14th amendment’ or something like it? Every Dem that gets airwaves should be pointing this out. I don’t believe we are, and if we are, we aren’t doing it loudly and strongly enough.
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What the hell does this mean, Joe? To which party to you honestly subscribe? To which philosophy do you honestly subscribe? What do you want, Joe? You have yet to tell anyone that you want anything other than the microphone and that, dear boy, is not legislating.
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I don’t expect anything like this to happen, but it would be pretty amazing if Biden negotiated a $2 trillion (or whatever) reconciliation package, got that and BIF passed and on his desk, and then vetoed BIF.
Give those bad faith negotiators a taste of their own medicine. Then go back to the table with all the leverage and pass a better infrastructure bill that includes some of the missing reconciliation money.
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The public already wants these bills to pass. That’s not the problem.
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From the last article linked above.
What would you have them do? Order the media to stop having on GQP talking heads for “balance”?
It’s not a Dem problem, it’s a media problem, that the media continually does this bothsiderism crap that muddles messages getting out.
Unless we’re willing to go the propaganda route that the right does with fox news, we’re always going to be at a disadvantage with the media and fighting an uphill battle.
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Just to be on the safe side, I wear a New Mexico flag pin.
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I thought that at first, but practically speaking, taking a break and having a few beers and a game together is good for the prospect of making a deal. I think it was the right thing to do, even if it looks gross from the outside.
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I appreciate the clip. Thanks!
Here’s the problem - for the average viewer, she lost them five seconds in. And she never made the point that not passing this breaks the Constitution. She never makes the point that the GQP has offered no alternative other than ‘no’.
I understand she was trying to break through the noise with the obvious ramifications of not passing it. I get it. But the more obvious point is the lack of negotiation and the violation of the full faith and credit of the country.
If that piece doesn’t get out, most will just shrug and that’s if they’re listening at all. You can well bet that Faux, OANN and Newsmax didn’t even run this clip, as they have no interest in the ‘other point of view’. Except that violating the 14th amendment doesn’t HAVE an alternative point of view.
Pass the damned debt ceiling bill and get on with it. Counter all the GQP wailing and gnashing of teeth with we have to do it based on the Constitution of the country. Because Lord knows, the GQP is all about the Constitution, right (except when it doesn’t benefit them!)?
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Manchin must think West Virginia is a tax haven like the Cayman Islands.
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So when do we start?
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That little boy watching the parade on the 4th of July and waving his flag as the soldiers marched by? That was me. Until the Nam man.
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The public no longer matters. That’s becoming increasingly clear. If the public mattered, this would’ve passed pretty much unanimously last week or earlier and we wouldn’t be having these discussions.
And you know why? Because the public continually votes these people in, regardless of what they do or don’t do. The public is us. Until we, the voters, make it clear that this nonsense will end or their careers will end, this theater will continue unabated.
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Can you elucidate how sabotaging the only chance you’ll get is growing a spine? “growing a spine” is a platitude that’s floated around liberal blogs since the beginning of blogging. If these people can the legislation they will not get a second chance at it. They’ll have made a statement the GOP will ride until 2022…then it’s all down hill from then.
Make yourself happy Castor…say what feels good and get a bunch of likes…
This is not “getting a spine” it’s being dumb as shit.
Ummmm… The BIF has already passed the Senate. Nancy can bring it up every day, let it fail, bring it up, let it fail, from now to the end of the term if she likes.
Knocking it down now will show Manchin and Sinema that the House means business, and that they’re not going to let that hostage go while Manchin and Sinema are still holding a gun to the head of the reconciliation bill.
That’s friggin’ backbone. The spineless thing to do right now would be to pass the BIF, giving up our one hostage, and get nothing from Manchin and Sinema on reconciliation, because the moment the BIF is done, they’re done.
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“Negotiations using the Press” are not my cup of tea.
In this environment (adults versus powerful adolescents) that’s suicide.
[There are children and teenagers who are positively obnoxious. Usually, parents can exert a modicum of control, and even teach some life lessons if they are lucky. When powerful so-called “grown-ups-but-emotional-adolescents” (read GOP, TrumpWorld, bought-off-media) act like children, several things happen. Number One, they are far more likely to get their way. Two, they have no intention of learning lessons of any kind. Three, they have zero feelings of affection for the actual adults (read Democrats and their voters) and, in fact, are committed to destroy them.]
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