St. Louis Couple Indicted For Waving Guns At Protesters | Talking Points Memo

ST. LOUIS (AP) — A grand jury on Tuesday indicted the St. Louis couple who displayed guns while hundreds of racial injustice protesters marched on their private street.

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The wheels are coming off the wingnut bus, and it’s not even election day yet…

About friggin’ time.


They were guest speakers at the law and order party’s convention. :roll_eyes:


Good, I bet they will figure out some way of getting out of it, but they deserve charges.


Its a Right to bear arms, not a Right to threaten the unarmed.

The correct response to trespassers is to call the police, not wave guns at them.


They should probably not have had law licenses in the first place.


The self-privileged, vigilante McCloskey’s comeuppance is long overdue.


Talk about false equivalences:

“Every single human being that was in front of my house was a criminal trespasser,” McCloskey said on Oct. 6. “They broke down our gate. They trespassed on our property. Not a single one of those people is now charged with anything. We’re charged with felonies that could cost us four years of our lives and our law licenses.”

NOTE, as a lawyer, as any lawyer should know, there is a stark difference between walking past someone’s house and pointing an assault weapon at several otherwise peaceful people.


Imagine the number of protestors who could have been accidentally shot with her in a modified we-is-a-doofus stance and him with the muzzle of his weapon pointed down range his pants crotch.

But mandatory weapons training? Not in murica!!


When will Cockholster announce he’s giving them the Presidential Medal of Freedom … and a hat?


He’s taken to signing his autograph, handing it to folks and saying 'Here, you can sell this for ten grand on Ebay…" - Seriously.

And yet most of his signed crap is going for peanuts. Or not going at all.


The couple’s lawyer at the time shared pictures of the gate, which was twisted and broken on its left side. “A mob of at least 100 smashed through the historic wrought iron gates of Portland Place, destroying them, rushed towards my home where my family was having dinner outside and put us in fear for our lives,” Mark McCloskey also told KMOV.

However, a live stream from the front of the march shows that the first protesters walked through an intact gate that was being held open. Freelance photographer and University of Missouri journalism graduate student Daniel Shular told the BBC that the gate was unlocked when the first marchers entered. “People just walked up to it and opened the gate,” he said, estimating he was the sixth person through. “It looked normal to me when I passed through.”


Thoughts and prayers about you whackdoodles no longer being able to practice law. It’s not clear you have a very good grasp of the non-bomb-throwing bits, anyway.

Question: does the bar give a damn if you’re convicted and then pardoned? I’m sure there’s at least governmental affiliation with the bar, but their website is a .org. It’s at least a semi-private organization.


Yes, it was a private street and those were a lot of people that were not authorized to be there. BUT the protestors stayed on the street, and everyone walked back BY their house. Importantly, the gate was not knocked down, it was unlocked and people just walked through it, then everyone else followed to find themselves threaten by the gun nuts. I believe the tampering of evidence was the couple messing with the gate trying to create evidence that supported their mistaken belief that it was open due to force and not the reality that someone on their street left it open.


“Republican Missouri Gov. Mike Parson has said he will pardon the couple if they are convicted.”

That sounds a lot like something George Wallace, or Lester Maddox might have said. It is ironic that these ‘fine upstanding citizens’ brandished their weapons during a march for racial justice. Despite how some things have changed, the racist cancer in our society stubbornly persists in the body politic. It is disgusting that the Chosen One chose to have them speak at the RNC.


I wanted them charged with terminal stupidity…


If they tampered with evidence, any bar will take not look kindly on that one. Under the rules of ethics lawyers are supposed truthful to legal tribunals and tampering with evidence - that is not being truthful and should get them in hot water with the Office of Disciplinary Counsel of their state bar.




Or worse, not be able to own guns! The horror…


“A police probable cause statement said protesters feared “being injured due to Patricia McCloskey’s finger being on the trigger, coupled with her excited demeanor.”
In many police brutality incidents as well as shootings for years the defense council would always accuse the victims of excited delirium. It was used in the Clifford Glover case back in 70’s New York. The term has been literally a running joke among police reform advocates. It would be “oh no not the excited delirium defense again”. It’s kind of funny that it’s being used by the prosecutors with St. Louis Bonnie and Clyde.