I’m not saying companies have to. Police at local levels all the way up to the FBI have catch-a-predator teams hanging out online in chat rooms and elsewhere playing at being 14 y/o girls or boys looking for older men.
Seems like a model that could be used in the darker places of the intertubes where people hang out with other extremists and trade pics of their guns and talk about plans to kill people.
You meant “gratings,” right?
Colonel Klink oversaw a clink.
ROTFLMAO. You win the intertubes award for gallows humor.
That’s different, because child porn and pedophiles soliciting online are actual crimes committed online.
The problem with mass shooters is that the crime isn’t committed online, and you can’t arrest or harass people just threatening to do it beforehand. Free speech and all that. You might be able to flag them for a therapy intervention or something, but again it’s a question of how you’d ever have enough humans in law enforcement or social services to track the millions of “iffy” posts made every day online.
Use data science methodologies to gather terms used most often by mass shooters. Using an algorithm similar to the ones used by the FBI after 9/11, flag people using those terms. Add more flags based on number of terms and number of times the terms are used. Someone with several flags purchases an AR15, put a watch on that person.
Obviously spitballing here, but all of this is more than possible with current technology. All that’s missing is the will and the money.
Isn’t the dude on the far-right the Libertarian who was protesting police DUI checkpoints and then, while leaving, was hit by a drunk driver? Also, to top it off, he didn’t have insurance as well, if I remember correctly.
Ahem
You absolutely can arrest and charge people for making threats. Happens all the time.
Try posting something about killing the president and see how quickly you end up with people at your door sometime. And if explicit enough, can be facing a judge in short order.
That’s because the people who buy a dozen AR-15s aren’t the ones you’re worried about. They’re collectors.
It’s the young pissed off and disaffected male who buys 1 that you’re looking for.
Sure but also the 3%ers, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers Sovreign Citizens, and various other militia and white supremacist groups also stock pile long guns and ammo. Stewart Rhodes purchased a shit ton weapons and ammo. Should’ve raised a red flag somewhere.
Oath Keeper Stewart Rhodes Spent $33K on Guns, Equipment While Plotting Sedition: DOJ (msn.com)
Police and the FBI also fail to catch many predators, terrorists and other criminals doing their criming via online channels too.
Based just on the number of violent threats made over Twitter (which should be easy to catch since they are public), police don’t have the resources to check them all.
Honestly, all the potential mass shootings I’ve read about being prevented were primarily due to either to a family member alerting the police that the guy was a threat or they got their guns taken away due to domestic violence red flag laws. Rather than trying to figure which violent internet threats are the most dangerous ones, the focus should be encouraging reporting from family and friends.
Insurrecting and mass shootings are (at least for now) two separate problems.
Some overlap and related crap, but in general, the mass shooters are getting one or two guns and then going out to do stuff. The guy with 20 guns loves his 2A rights and generally avoids committing felonies.
Deterrence, though. Sure, can’t catch them all, but can make them quite leery and suspicious of who they’re actually in communication with.
What if that extremist you’re talking to in the FBI online is not a fellow FBI extremist, but an undercover one investigating you?
Not like these little fucks aren’t paranoid as it is, could feed into that stuff, maybe even help to break up some of that chatter in the darker places online which promote extremism and celebrate these domestic terrorists.
Not opposed to that and am pretty sure that’s what the FBI is currently doing to the Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and similar insurrectionist groups. I just don’t think its going to make even a meaningful difference for mass shooters as they often aren’t even deterred by the possibility of death. Traditional tactics don’t really work on the homegrown equivalent of suicide bombers.
That’s why the focus on family and friends is key imo. Mass shooters often showcase their intentions to someone in their social grouping (even if its just family members). They also sometimes practice their violence first, typically against their families. Better public awareness of red flags plus when and how to report people to get them help before they descend into terror shootings will do more than having FBI agents scrolling through 4chan posts.
You and I will always disagree on the need to own 20 guns. The 2A is silent on collecting guns as a hobby. We both know that the first phrase in the 2A is simply ignored. All anyone focuses on is the second phrase and it has been interpreted by the S.C. to mean unfettered access to guns. Note that guns are not mentioned in the 2-A.
There are too many firearms circulating in this country supposedly purchased for protection and yet despite that many Americans continue to feel unsafe. There will easily be 2 maybe 3 reports of shootings on the 11 PM news tonight. Some resulting in death and others in grievous injury.
ETA: This guy had 13 guns. Yes he was a bit touched but who needs 13 guns. You cannot shoot them at the same time.
North Bend murder suspect found dead in bunker | The Seattle Times
Adds up quickly. Pistol is the obvious one, then you want a long-barrel rifle with scope for long-distance, short-barrel for closer targets, a 9mm PCC for light and fast close movement, shotgun because shotgun, and then if you’re into hunting, variants from there.
Beyond that you’re pretty much just duplicating the basic capabilities, but frankly, the big collections aren’t the concern. People who have those aren’t the ones using them to commit crimes. That’s just a basic fact. No, nobody needs 20 guns, but I’ve never been concerned to be around those folks, because they’re not the people who are going to fuck with their right to own their collection by doing dumb shit.
“You have a gub?
Given that he’s now in jail, I’d say it did.
