It’s hard to talk with a straight face about the U.S. military fighting ethically, whatever that means. The dispute is over how far the military brass can go in calling individual soldiers to account. Trump’s thought appears to be that they can’t do it at all, not even to cover the military’s own rear ends.
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I think he just want those guys to be campaign props at his rallies. Waiting to see him use active duty soldiers in uniform on stage.
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Submarine qual’d o-ganger here. That’s not how we treated or perceived our people. They could make or break us; valued team members all.
I’m fucking tired of reading “fucking” in response to comments I post. Take your complaints elsewhere.
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This is how you respond to Trump screwing over the military.
Mattis should take note.
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Lord knows I experienced this throughout my career.
For me respect is earned not a feature of wearing the uniform
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He’s not just locked into the 80’s but into decades before that back to when he was a kid in the 1950’s. I don’t know that much about his parents but they were in different ways authoritarian types and terrible people. Trump idolizes them. A whole lot of people his age having grown up in a different world than their parents struck out on lives with values that were far different - the late 60’s hippie subculture. Trump stuck tightly to his parents, and the many millions of dollars he got for that helped. He’s still that person, if perhaps suffering mental decline.
Unfortunately, speaking of being stuck in an earlier era, there’s Democratic front runner Biden. I understand what he was trying to say in that debate about raising kids. There’s a lot of research about typical poorer class vs middle class kid’s upbringing and how negative and deprived the poorer kid’s lives can be, and that’s not about food deserts or parents working two jobs. But “phonog…record player”? Cassette tapes and CD’s have come and gone since then.
I saw the same thing with my father who died in his 90’s. In many ways he stopped being connected the current world many decades before that, like about when he got married, but by Biden’s age he was really disconnected. It’s partly psychology and partly mental decline. Biden will pretty soon be telling long highly detailed stories about something inconsequential he did in high school.
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I’ll take that further; he has zero understanding of doing anything ethically.
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Thanks for your service. I was an enlisted Marine in Vietnam in 68-69 (no draftees or prison alternatives) and none of the enlisted Marines in my unit had hostility towards the officers that led us. Maybe its a Marine thing but Marine Corps officers place the welfare of their troops before their own and their Marines know it. There may have been an occasional malcontent, but we relied on our officers and they on us. Sounds like your experience was different. When I was deployed to Iraq in 2003 and 2004, I was attached to an Army unit and I saw no resentment of the officer corps among the Army troops. Granted, this was an all volunteer force. But to say that enlisted men resent their officers is a gross over generalization (In my experience).
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I made that post hastily before going offline for the day. Had no intent of denigrating you or @ljb860, your MOS and certainly not your service.
I was trying to make the point that Donnie J. works people against one another to his advantage. and that’s if he thinks he can garner votes by dividing rank then he’ll do so. I’ve no doubt that he’ll try to build up resentment between the ***enlisted VS officer
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As for the Ex vs Ox thing I Offer my apologies. Some experiences are best argued over a beer
Not the only goat rodeo in your lives is it?
Well said, thanks.
My first tour was in nineteen sixty seven, my boss was an asshole named David Hackworth.
The men loved him and he made me proud to serve.
I’m serious about judges and alternative sentences. I grew up in rural oklahoma, many young men, 18 years of age, had experiences a cow before they bedded a female human assuming they did.
I knew of guys who did stupid shit like get drunk on Coors and pull up spikes along the local RR line.
They became Marines.
USMC discipline is different from Army. I experienced that kind of unit discipline only after being assigned to a Ranger brigade.
I’d give you a OOOOooo–RAHH but Rangers don’t do that shit unless it’s an Oliver Stone movie.
Be well
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Roger that, but here’s the deal.
By the time this guy leaves office we’ll be adding trillions of dollars annually to the debt. Democrats must raise taxes.
See the shitbomb here?
How can we pay for those nice things?™
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If my memory serves me the Vietnam era Marines Did not enlist draftees. Or men who were married.
am i wrong?
Ah, Jerome Corsi’s Kerry smear book. Thought I’d heard that title before.
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Well , the COWARD DID RUN AWAY
I do understand of what you speak. Very poor officers and enlisted made up of criminals as I experienced both between my Vietnam tours 65-67.
Officers and senior NCOs who dug bunkers under their hooch where they hid at the first sign of trouble. That or 24/7 drunk because they did not want to be in-country. We also experienced officers and NCOs who would put papers in when they found out their assignment. Got so bad enlisted such as myself, already in place as an armorer, were made officers. Enlisted who were essentially voted in by their peers because they were the ones already being listened to or asked for advice by others.
Then we had most of our enlisted made up of people told that their criminal record would be expunged if they survived 2 years in-country.
As a result the unit was sent on missions most realized were suicide in nature, missions special forces would refuse to do. Be dropped into the bush then walk for 3 to 5 days to a target, setup an ambush then walk back. Most times that walk back involved being ambushed in turn. You will not read anything about the exploits, the unit was actually classified as a “repair parts depot”. The Army would not recognize people being wounded and for sure did not acknowledge any death as being combat related. Still, I respect the men and women who put on the uniform. Careerist leadership is another story. A story, I am sorry to say, few have earned.
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I have to call BS on this. Thee is virtually nothing in what you related that could have happened - from officers and NCOs digging bunkers under their hooches to people being “made” officers to enlisted voted in by their peers to expunged criminal records if you survive two years in country to secret missions even special forces would refuse to conduct. Sounds like a confluence of Platoon and Dirty Dozen. If ANY of this were true, you had (and have) a legal and moral obligation to make these charges publicly, with your name, dates and events. Otherwise, you contribute to the denigration of Vietnam veterans and the 58,220 US military personnel who died in that war.
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OK, your bull phucky, my reality, go ahead and choose. I know some 50 years later I am still waking up every other day soaked and shaking from remembrances.
That might be entertaining. Wonder how Darth Cheney will react to that - along with KBR and other gubmint contracting powerhouses.
Well, and also consistent with the “you know what you call a Republican who is for prison reform? An ex-convict” theory.
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