Former Federal Judge Lays Out Advice He Gave Pence To Ignore Trumpian Scheme To Steal Vote | Talking Points Memo

A retired federal judge on Tuesday night pulled back the curtain on the crucial early January days when Vice President Mike Pence was deciding whether or not to steal Donald Trump a second term.


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The Constitution is worth reading once in a while.

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Great piece; thanks. Maybe this is a bit OT, but in the discussion of how Bushism led to Trumpism: How far is it to travel from John Yoo, to John Eastman? The lawlessness has been present for some time now.

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Pence ignoring the Eastman memo and Trumpā€™s pressure may have been the only action he took as VP that displayed any integrity. Mind you, I wouldnā€™t vote for him if he ever ran for office again, but credit where credit is due.

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Thank Mother for that.

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That this could even be stated by a ā€˜professorā€™ of law much less sufficiently entertained by a Vice President to request counsel tells me we have, even after the extraordinary excesses and insanity of the Trump years, not yet reached the pinnacle of Bullshit Mountain.

What is wrong with this country is not that we face problems we have not faced before; we face a deficiency in our problem solving mechanism. And the reason we face a difficulty in our problem solving mechanism is that a good portion of this country live in an alternate universe ...I call this alternate reality where these folks live, Bullshit Mountain ā€“ Jon Stewart
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Yes, including credit to, of all people, Dan Quayle.

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Looks like Eastman needs to go back to law school.

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Well, thereā€™s always the possibility that what Quayle said was along the lines of, ā€œHow would I know?!?ā€ :wink:

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Quayle

Acting all Kennedy-like.

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You misspelled ā€œprisonā€.

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Heā€™s just been fired from one.

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Iā€™d like to know he got INTO a law school in the first place.

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Any evidence that Luttig actually said what he claims to have said? Itā€™s very convenient that he comes out to be not only on the side of right, but the winning side.

Maybe everything he says is true.

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Fun fact: Eastman was Luttigā€™s law clerk the year before he got the gig with Clarence Thomas.

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Gee whiz. When you criticize someone youā€™re supposed to find at least something to compliment. Itā€™s called ā€œpeople skills.ā€ This guy makes it sound like Eastman was just totally wrong and makes stuff up as he goes along. Itā€™s no way to treat a respected constitutional scholar.

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Carl Bernsteinā€™s truth begets more truth. As factual evidence does, usually.

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Cue the The Constitution is unconstitutional! brigade.

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And as I read the 12th Amendment, the Vice-President, as President of the Senate has but one job, and that is simply to open the sealed ballots received from the states.

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I donā€™t even think the VP necessarily any role in the counting of the ballots, since the text of the Amendment says only that ā€œThe President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted.ā€

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Stewart is correctā€¦and it is the volume of derp thatā€™s doing us in. Sociopathy is one thing, but voluminous sociopathy + derp media isā€“wait for it:

One Sidedā€¦and certainly not meriting the least bit of ā€œBoth-Sidednessā€

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