Feds Say Oath Keeper Planned Group’s Role In Capitol Breach | Talking Points Memo

This is what I’m waiting for, and I expect it will be forthcoming for a bunch of defendants. I expect the feds are really digging into the records of their communications before bringing charges:

18 U.S.C. § 2383 - Rebellion or insurrection

Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

18 U.S.C. § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy

If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

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So Vietnam is another Cuba?

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Solitary–or they conspire with prison white nationalists. @maximus had same thought, I see.

Yep. That was the objection, even at the time of her appointment. However, people on Twitter who are ex-NSA/CIA, whose opinion I take seriously, felt that she was a good administrator even if she opposed prosecuting the torturers (obl disclaimer: I did not agree with that). I’m with @ClutchCargo

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Yeah, she definitely needed to go. But I’m glad that we had her to hold the line with Trump. Things would have looked a lot worse if he had managed to get one of Jared’s friends in there.

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Good catch on 1512( c )(2) as a felony charge. Not sure how that really applies, however, because the statute requires the defendant to have “corruptly” obstructed or impeded an official proceeding. I don’t think anyone bribed these people into storming the Capitol.

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“Commander.” Tells you everything you need to know about these people. In terms of emotional and intellectual development, they’re all about 12 years old, and are playing soldier. I’m surprised they allow gurlz in the group.

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Many prison reform advocates say that permanent solitary confinement leads to a high suicide rate.
I’m not taking that as a reason not to impose such conditions on these people after what they did.

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Yes but since the Clinton, McCain and both Kerrys 90’s opening up of diplomatic relations with Vietnam have made them an ally and trading partner. It’s amazing how pro American they are even after 3 million were killed in the war.
It’s the kind of diplomacy that should continue with Cuba but you know, Florida exile man.

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This kind of violent insurrection exposes what a complete stinking pile of bullsh*t the “militia” types have been hiding under for decades. If they were an actual militia, they would be under the control of duly constituted local authorities, and responsible to those authorities for their actions. If they refuse the orders of local authorities, they’re either engaging in mutiny or insurrection, with associated penalties. (Or they’re just an organized criminal gang that needs to be put down like any other organized criminal gang.)

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You have to take these idiots seriously, but they are SO fucking inept. These guys did a better job at insurrection, and the movie they were in was lousy!

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Wait now, are we sure it wasn’t antifa? Could’a been antifa, in disguise, trying to put the blame on those poor proud pompous boys ya know.

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Updated complaint charges all with conspiracy – more updates coming, doc mentions explosives: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.226246/gov.uscourts.dcd.226246.1.1.pdf

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Depending on the role intent plays in the offenses for which they’re actually indicted, they could be both, at least in my judgement. One can invade, threaten violence, damage, impede, and so forth, in objectively convictable manner on videostream, regardless of whether one’s mindset going in showed enough evidence for the same jury to convict on conspiracy, willful so-and-so, and other intent-centered charges.

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How about asset forfeitures? I think I recall something about Klan seizures.

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They used a lot of property in the course of committing their crimes.

I wonder whether online and phone accounts qualify as property in such a case.

And what is this strange oath theses ‘Oath Keepers’ keep?
The No-Oath perhaps?

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Private militias are illegal in all 50 states.

So, do you want to go to a state prison or a federal prison?

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Of Course, they planned their participation…everyone there planned their participation…that law enforcement has now come to this conclusion…is the surprise.

Each participant who entered the Capital building should have been charged with:

… conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to impede or injure officers of the United States from discharging their duties, destruction of government property, obstruction of an official proceeding, entry into a restricted building and violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds….

If this government can convict Church volunteers who left water in the desert (for immigrants)or charge someone who threw RED paint on a Confederate Statue in Arizona with Trump’s 10 years Statue-Molestation sentence…surely the above were appropriate charges for every individual thus far…who has been SENT HOME on home confinement: Flag-Pole Guy and Private-Jet-Girl begging for a Pardon

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The jury was ready to convict on everything except the conspiracy charge, where they weren’t sure. Prosecution had structured the charges such that everything was predicated on conspiracy conviction. I’m pretty sure they won’t repeat that error.

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