I think that would work in our favor.
Ex-Impeachment Manager Rips GOP For Playing ‘Whac-a-Mole’ On Jan. 6 Commission | Talking Points Memo
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I actually welcome that outcome. The base is not reachable, but chin-stroking Washington is on the side of the Cheneys and Kinzingers. They are the actual favored children of Washington, with Democrats and Trumpsters far below, and in no particular order.
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Yeah and there are all those GOP state AGs who were involved, like Ken Paxton. I want to know more about just what their involvement was.
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That’s my concern, too. The thing is that technically, the constitution’s mandated “political” response/process already happened with the Jan. 2021 failed impeachment. The DoJ investigations (I think) work up from small-fry to big fish so that all of the bigs’ criminality is swept up in the net and available for the prosecution at the end. The findings of a House investigation would include recommendations to address fault and failure of involved Agencies, their leadership, systems, practices, policies, etc.; the stuff of oversight. Current dems are very good at comprehending, fact-checking, contextualizing, and telling the story so that the general public can understand it all. The PR and political gamesmanship we have to suffer throughout that time is what feels fraught to me; esp. with rising gop incitement to violence. Choosing the most efficient and effective path must be a daunting challenge for the Speaker.
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I don’t think we gain anything by chasing down rabbit holes like who paid for buses or hotel rooms. There is no criminal liability there. Anyone who paid for a bus can say it was for attending the rally, which is perfectly legal. Why bother with any of this, unless it can be directly tied to committing a crime?
We know what happened. Trump incited an insurrection, and the enablers are small fry unless they actually broke a law.
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“We’ll have a partisan investigation. It won’t have credibility with people like me, but the press will cover it because that’s what’s going on.”
What exactly DOES have credibility with Susan Collins?
Oh, right. Brett Kavanaugh.
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So you’re saying there’s a chance?
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Some of that will come out over time, and it will go into the history books. Chasing down this kind of rabbit hole just moves the spotlight off the prime instigator, the person without whom nothing would have happened.
If no crime was committed in that Trump Hotel meeting then it’s a sideshow to the main event, which was primed for months and then aimed and fired at the Capitol by Trump himself.
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Yes I have the same question.
One question with respect to uncovering new information - does Round-Up work on Rethug fig leaves? If not, should we consider Agent Orange?
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I completely disagree.
Current Dems are not good at all at capturing the narrative. They/We need to talk with simple, basic catch-phrases and easy analogies to get salient points recognized by middle America. It’s what Reps have been doing since Raygun, and it’s what people can easily understand - and importantly, repeat.
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I agree not everyone responsible engaged in a criminal act, which is why I don’t think the DoJ should ideally run the investigation.
It’s my opinion the insurrection -an attack on the seat of government and our democracy - demands a full investigation, above and beyond criminal activities. It’s the only way we can pass laws and regulations, if there is the political will, to prevent another 1/6. We did this after 9/11 -we knew who the terrorists were almost immediately -but we needed to get to root causes. That’s my opinion as to what needs to happen here as well.
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You have to investigate that rabbit hole to determine whether a crime was committed. See 18 US Code §§2383 et seq.
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In other words, there are oversight issues that must be quickly addressed by Congress, and they can’t wait years for the results of this investigation.
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Sure, but let’s leave that to the DOJ, it’s their job. If that agency suspects a crime was committed in the Trump Tower meeting, they’ll be on it with investigation tools that can be brought to bear more quickly than anything a House Select committee can do.
What the Dems in Congress tried to do with a bipartisan commission on January 6th was not primarily aimed at uncovering crimes, any more than the 9/11 commission was. Let’s not get distracted by this.
I’m starting to think that Biden should appoint a special prosecutor and just shut this farce down. We’re perilously close to the point where normal people out in voterland will get tired of the whole thing. This isn’t a new 9/11 to them and outside of our own small circles of political junky friends, this just isn’t news anymore and I don’t think the media talking heads trying to make it news and provide us with breathless interviews is going to get us anywhere. I also suspect that battles over infrastructure are far more interesting to the people whose votes we want to get: they actually care about whether or not they’re ever going to get highspeed internet and decent roads and bridges that don’t collapse. So let a special prosecutor take it away, and for g-d’s sake make him or her someone with the stones to recommend indictments.
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Not unless they run into it incidental to their look at what the oathkeepers were up to. If they’re looking at Roger and beyond, they’re keeping those cards very close to their chest.
Any commission or Committee looking needs to start with Miller and Flynn’s brother, who aren’t necessarily implicated in a crime (yet), so are beyond DOJ’s work, but who have critical information they’ve not yet shared about the non-deployment of the NG, the rules changes in the days prior, etc.
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Of course it is. But this treasonous circle jerk process can be and will be blown to smitherines if the Dems show the courage they seem to think exists in the reich minded (which it does NOT). Call their bluff by getting the job done. Use the tools they absolutely will and do use on Dems. Change the filibuster, pull the big bills apart and call in person votes on every single issue to mark those cowards for who they are. Voters will be encouraged by what is clearly necessary getting done. We cannot just keep throwing money into ads and campaigns which fund the very media that makes the profits but won’t tell it like it is.
Russian money laundering is at the root of this mess. Remember the July 4th NRA meeting in Russia, Maria Buttina presiding? Where is the “final proof” that the Senators who celebrated our national holiday were actually busy collecting cash for themselves and their party, thus being traitors? What’s not known about January 6th? This forgetting stuff because of the shit storms that bury us daily in confusion completely ignores the facts that we know what happened and what is still happening.
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Wanna bet there were NDA’s for all the participants???
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