Discussion: Will McGahn's No-Show Tip Dems Towards Impeachment?

There are thousands of weasels who know all about Trump. There are people with the gall to call themselves “journalists” who know more about what Trump is doing than Trump. There are people who call themselves “public servants” who are really “private servants”.

The dearth of attention placed on these people make the first Guilded Age seem like a Cub Scout meeting.

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Bout to find out.

Right now though, I’m going with that he can’t stifle it.

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Agree, I’m sure that Pelosi is watching polling data at the micro-level quite closely, particularly the competitive districts.

That said, I think she and others may underestimate, in such a focus, just how demoralizing across the board, and how it would under-pin the long-standing writ that Democrats are spineless, maintaining the status quo becomes in the face of a total blockade.

When we can’t even get anyone to show up or a single piece of paper, and Trump’s just flipping the bird at Democrats, running “enemy” investigations into the FBI, pressuring foreign governments to investigate his opponents, etc…

Something’s gotta start moving to shift the goal-posts.

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Is McGahn’s law license at risk by defying Congress? What will the bar association do?

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Thank you In a fucking nutshell
Where are the patriots? Mueller you incompetent fuck , who has a hold of your balls . Come forward for the sake of the country and denounce these cowards
He didn’t do this shit in a vacuum . Everybody who touched his orbit knows
He doing it in Public and the Republicans look away

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Wanna bet? He’s already mentioned taking that to the Supremes, even if it’s nowhere in the Constitution.

We’re stress-testing our Constitution to the max, for sure, under this guy.

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I’m actually a fan of Nancy’s, but this is dereliction of her and the Dem’s constitutional duty. If impeachment is off the table for Trump, it will never be on the table for any President. At this point, I don’t care how much I admire Nancy for everything else she has done and is doing. If she refuses to initiate an Impeachment Inquiry, she should be removed as Speaker. And Hoyer should have been removed from his leadership position a long time ago.

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You are dead on, if McGahn defies the House contempt order then arrest him. Even though the President thinks he is above the law which he isn’t, McGahn as a private citizen most certainly isn’t.
Just wait until the Democrats are fully in charge and the GOP tries desperately regain the mantle of being the law and order party, not going to happen.

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Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) — who is among those who have made the case for impeachment to Pelosi — told reporters Tuesday that the current debate over impeachment was a “difficult internal political dynamic that the Speaker and the chairman and the members have.”

He added that it was “not going to be easy” to sway Pelosi.

Did he bring KFC for everyone this time?

(It would have been appropriate too. After 3 years of “TRUMP’S A TRAITOR!” and “TRUMP IS PUTIN’S PUPPET” doing absofuckinglutely nothing about it is just weak…)

Are there bigger concerns than the Constitution? To NOT use the impeachment clause NOW, is to excise it from the Constitution, in essence. For if not now, and not against THIS president, it could NEVER be reasonably invoke against any future president. Politically, you can either bet on the Constitutional process of impeachment, or you can bet on Trump/Russia respecting a free and fair 2020. That’s the choice. Trump hasnt paid a price. He accelerates towards a putsch. Listen to his speech in Pennsylvania.

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If done right, the goal of impeachment shouldn’t be to remove Trump it should be a huge political theatre where the Dems get to put the entire GOP on trial in front of the American people everyday. Show the collusion. Show the corruption. Confront the GOP members enabling this directly. Make a headline everyday, wether they can get a ‘vote’ or not leading into the election.

But the Dems either shy away from or suck too bad at political theater to expect nothing else but another missed opportunity and a ‘pass’ for the right-wing.

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Then its down to John Roberts, in your world, isnt it?

Good points all. The talking heads are saying that opening an impeachment hearing will give the Dems greater access to Trump’s documents and remove the legal barriers to interviewing Trump’s people. I disagree, I think the administration will continue to stonewall the release of any information, whether he is impeached or not. Nixon went all the way to the SC to withhold information. The Watergate Special Prosecutor gave his underlying information to the judge to decide whether to hand over the Congress. The SC has a few Justices who are strong advocates of the Unitary Executive theory. The Court will not have a unanimous vote. Mueller had more constraints then Jaworski did for the release of evidence. Any action by the Senate is doomed. Much more information has to come out before impeachment is viable.

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America has devolved into a country run by the Congressional Clique. It’s a very exclusive club of elite power-mongers who value power (and the protection of power) more than any quaint notion of democracy, egalitarianism, rule of law or justice. Each party knows that if it really comes down hard on the other party, it might eventually set precedent against its own interests; therefore, neither party wants to REALLY do anything about criminal acts. Eventually, each party gets a turn at power and control and it wants full rein to do whatever it wants. Nothing will ever be done about Trump. Pelosi has already told us. In the fake name of “comity” or “political strategy” nothing will be done about Trump. Pelosi has already said if impeachment is started, it will inflame Trump’s base, which will help him in 2020. So there you have it. The law, the duty of Congress is thrown under the bus because it might make Trump’s base even more unhinged than it is now. We’re doomed. Democracy and the rule of law are dead. And so it shall remain. (BTW, Trump is going to win in 2020 precisely because the Democrats are spineless, clumsy and obsessed with being seen as “nice guys”)

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Doubt it.

It should tip Democrats into getting a bench warrant to arrest McGahn and drag his ass in front of the Committee though.

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In our world, yes. There are 4 permanent votes for whatever Republicans desire. Becomes up to Roberts whether he enjoys democracy, or prefers a dictatorship.

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Concerning McGahn, this is the relevant law.

Note the use of “shall,” which is a mandate to act in legal language.
And that includes the US Attorney to whom the violation of law would be referred.

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That’'s a nice development. A few weeks ago, the story that Mueller was just talking with House leadership sent Rachel and Lawrence (and guests) into a night of good cheer.

Trump has hundreds of points at which the House of Cards come down.

But I will say that we are derelict in getting people feeling like we do here.

GOP can’t govern but they can message (and cheat)
Dems are worse at messaging and they clean up GOP messes at governing

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Merrick Garland was denied Senate review because McConnell claimed it was too close to an election for such a monumental decision to be made (by an outgoing president). Nancy Pelosi has decided there will be no impeachment because it too close to an election year and it might do political harm to her party. Sound familiar?

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Except Trump is going to keep appealing this up the chain until the SCOTUS he has stacked will destroy our Constitutional framework and rule in his favor, and the entire chain of evidence is rendered worthless.

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