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All of the hand-wringing and denial from both extreme ends of the political spectrum aside?
This looks to be the reality.
Little doubt that the path back from the crazy weâre saddled with from Nov 4th-- is through an HRC candidacy and victory.
Itâs the one near âlockâ to put a stake through the heart of the GOTP-- to last long enough-- for conservatism to be relegated to rump-party status.
Itâs the beginning of a series of events that will culminate with the 2020 census and reset redistricting plans-- disallowing a minority party nationwide to control the House.
If this doesnât happen? The GOTP will have escaped the one opportunity for many election cycles-- that liberals and progressives might have to stem the tide of lunacy that wreaks havoc within our government.
Presently? Every other scenario is a pipe-dream at best.
jw1
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Well, sure Hillary can expand her electoral map if she continues to pander to the white working class. Letâs count on here to talk about boots on the ground in Syria, tax cuts, and fixing âObamacare.â But sheâll steer clear of income inequality, the militarization of the police, universal health care, minimum wage, racial profiling, and voter suppression. Can you imagine Hillary actually talking about homelessness, hunger, and affordable housing? I canât. The post-Obama Democrats are more akin to the Republicans of 1980-2007.
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How is she a lock? She has never one a general election race outside of New York. Every candidate, who were in toss-up races, she campaigned for, except one, loss and they loss big. 53% of voters stated she would make a good President and she only 34% of respondents said the were likely to vote for her compared to 40% for a Republican. She has already proven, look at 2008, that she is a horrible candidate who canât take a punch.
My guess by 2016 people will be tired of hearing about Hillary. What is sad is the complete lack of viable candidates the Democrats have, that they have to dust of a 70+ year old and run them again for essentially the fourth time.
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To JW1 and justamarine: True, Hillary hasnât quite got this campaigning thing worked out yet, but neither does the prospective GOP slate.
The GOTP cannot moderate, else their base will stay home. The key to 2016 is how the party makes its policies appear âinevitableâ to blue America, while using their dominance in rump American states to all but criminalize voting the Dem ticket. Just âgoing nuclearâ isnât going to do it ⌠they have to turn the amp up to 12.
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Isnât this what they say every four years?
Then they spend almost as much as they do in the Senate races in some states, and they donât win a single electoral vote more.
Why not just admit that 270 is all anyone ever âshoots forâ (because thatâs all you need) and call it a day?
If you get more, fine, but who needs it. You become a trivia question and if you get fewer you lose and become a trivia question. Itâs two frickinâ years away! Unless somebody wants to pour buckets of money into a ridiculous â50 state campaignâ (where most of the money is wasted) all of this matters not a jot nor tittle.
But people have to make âbusy newsâ I suppose. I guess there isnât enough ârealâ political news to matter, is that it?
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I think any white person could expand on Obamaâs pull. Still a lot of white folks out here that wonât go black.
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I really think Arkansas, despite the Clintonâs history there, may be too far gone. Pryor got rounded up to 40 percent in his race against Cotton, and they had a gubernatorial race which should have helped with turnout.
I think we have a better shot in Alaskaâseriously. Obama did better there than he did in the Southeast.
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If I was Team HRC Iâd avoid the sausage-making public discussions so beloved by the worthless punditry and, in the manner of âonly Nixon could go to Chinaâ, portray Mrs. Clinton as the only person to shake off the political insanity that impedes progress by uniting Dems and sane cloth-coat Repubs in terms of policy and, dare I say, vision, not merely tedious wonky insider nonsense.
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Wake up, Dems. The GOP is planning a takeover of the electoral college. The Fascists will rule this country forever if they succeed in removing âwinner takes allâ from all the red states. Kiss the country goodbye.
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Could we pleeezzzzzeeeeee hold off on this bullshit for at least until the war on Christmas is over???
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I would just be cautious and not count chickens before they hatch. She would have to win a primary, last time she was inevitable Obama beat her.
If she wins, she would likely have a market advantage in a great number of ways. She has become a bit more liberal in some ways but is more conservative in others. I think she would be a good president but there is a long way to go and alot of crap to deal with before that point occurs.
It would be nice if she could swing the map but who knows if that is possible. Outside of wishful thinking, at least at present. Many in those states, after they have been told Obama is the devil for long enough, are going to be inclined to vote against Dems anyway.
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Not NC?
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The Dems better re-think Michigan. The teabagging righties in Lansing have a bill to change how our electoral votes are counted. If the new way was in place in 2012 Romney would have got more votes than Obama here. In most recent election, more folks voted for the Dems, but due to gerrymandered districts the repubs still won more districts. Weâve been had.
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Translation: âWhistle whistle whistle . . . I ainât afraid of no graveyard . . . whistle whistle whistle . . . stoopid olâ graveyard . . .â
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Actually, removing winner take all from the red states would make them permanent losers. What theyâd need to do is remove it from the blue states and keep it in the red ones. Or, mathematically, it may be enough for them to remove it from every state.
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Yeah, WTF?
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Hillary Clinton is damaged goods. She is beaten up and worn out. She has health issues and people are not very excited about her, even on the left. She has had her chance and her time is past.
Also, she does not want to go through all of this again just to lose. Whatâs more, it is not clear that she wants to go through the hassle and grind of being president for 4-8 years either.
She is not going to run. Watch and see.
The upshot for the left is that Hillary staying home may clear the way for Elizabeth Warren to change her mind and enter the race. As a conservative, I would very much like to see Warren win the presidential nomination for the Democrats.
In fact, Warren will have my full support in the Democrat primaries. And if the presidential race is wrapped up on the Republican side by the time it gets to my state, I may very well vote for Warren in the presidential primaries in 2016.
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Hillary Clinton DOES NOT start off with Obamaâs electoral map (Bill Clinton DID NOT win in Virginia or North Carolina). Clinton never won over 50% of the vote in either of his presidential elections. If she thinks she can win by degrading President Obama she will face a backlash.
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Courtesy of H. Ross Perot.