Discussion: Why Hillary 2016 Thinks She Can Win Even Bigger Than Obama

Clinton only won the presidency because of H. Ross Perot. Take him out of the race, and George H.W. Bush wins a second term.

Mary Matalin said the same thing. I don’t listen to what she says.

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That’s exactly what they’re going to do. Nobody is projecting that red states are going to do this, because they’re making these moves for obvious partisan advantage. Once Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin make this move—all blue states at the Presidential level but solidly in the hands of the GOP at the state legislature level—the path ahead for any Dem candidate is brutal.

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Don’t say that out loud. If the GOP hears you they will cheat and make it not so.

Um. You’re the one who clicked through AND posted.
Don’t see the slightest irony in that?

jw1

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Why is NC red, not blue, on this map? Seems like Hillary Clinton has a better chance of winning NC than AZ, MO, IN, AR…

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How long before FOX reports that their top investigator, Alex Jones, has discovered that as a college thesis, Hillary penned a “Communist Manifesto” (with help from Obama, who time traveled back to help ghost write it for her) which directly inspired, Marx, Lenin, Trotsky and Alinsky.

Don’t laugh! It’s FOX…and could happen in any of their ‘FOX Spews’ election reports from now until 2016. And their aged, Bagger and TEAlibangical base would believe every word.

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Wrong. http://www.salon.com/2011/04/04/third_party_myth_easterbrook/

Also, nice job goalpost shifting. First you complain that the Clintons never got over 50% (in a pair of 3-way races, which Hillary is unlikely to face in 2016). When called on this you resort to the discredited “Perot elected Clinton” trope.

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It was introduced in the MI state legislature again last week, I believe. No governors to block the nuts in MI, WI, or OH. Can’t believe the voters put these guys in for four more.

I think the lesson from 2014 should be obvious to everybody. As long as the purported Democratic “base” sits on its ass every midterm, all the discussion of “conservatism being relegated to rump-party status” is nothing less than absurd fantasy, unfortunately.

If nothing else, look at the election results in Kansas. The voters there were presented with clear, unequivocal evidence that the far-right policies of Sam Brownback were an absolute disaster, and even though over 40 Kansas Republicans openly repudiated Brownback, the GOP base turned out in sufficient numbers to comfortably re-elect Brownback, while Davis got 100,000 fewer votes than Jean Sibelius did just eight years ago.

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Notice that GOP POTUS wannabes’ and never-will-bes’ like Rand Paul and Scott Walker have of late continuously referred to Hillary’s age as a disqualifying factor. (Insert Reagan snark here.)

And, of course, Chuck Toad’ has given those two laughable GOP toadstools his seal of approval as “…fresh and organic.” Oh yes he did! ___Obviously, he arrived at that opinion after smelling their taints. They are “…fresh and organic” only insofar as they have all the qualities for improving life in this republic as a good dose of belladonna would.

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She’s not black. That’s gotta be worth a couple states right there.

I think Hillary can compete, and maybe win, in states that were out of Obama’s reach - states in the interior of the country near the Mississippi. On the other hand, she’s likely to do worse in certain other states, like the states along the eastern seaboard south of Washington DC.

If I had to guess, I’d say it would be about a wash.

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Hopefully in chasing after all these much coveted white working class voters, whose votes don’t count for any more than the rest of us, Clinton does not forget take the “Obama coalition” for granted.

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Team Hillary learned nothing in 2008 did it. If you pay attention to sports you realize a team that is as arrogant as Team Hillary is looking to be upset.

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“Organic?” Like fecal matter?

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So, tell us how you really feel?
you hate Hillary, what else, since your analysis comes straight-out of republican playbook/talking points.

You’ll get no points taking off for ageism, sexism or partisan blindspots

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Um, Hillary Clinton’s most notable political initiative in the 1990s was an effort to institute universal health care, and the Clinton administration raised the minimum wage, and also had an excellent record on homelessness and housing.

I actually remember the Republicans of 1980 to 2007. I think the period seems a little fuzzy to you.

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Someone please point out 40 million voted for GOP candidates
in the House and 35 million voted for Dem candidates in the House…
BUT 50 million who voted in 2012 didn’t vote in 2014…ALSO if
Clinton pulls the same percentage of white women as Hagan did in NC…she would carry NC…

Right. I’m thinking of Al Gore losing Tennessee in 2000, and Mitt Romney losing Massachusetts in 2012.

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What NC Steve said.

The read threat is that the Republicans use their temporary control of places like Pennsylvania to implement that idea.