Discussion: Why Even Uber-Conservative States Are Now Bending On Obamacare

Remember when that dumb bitch Liz Cheney thought she was gonna just carpetbag her way into the Senate by taking a serving Wyoming Republican’s seat from him?

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2 possibilities:

  1. Their constituents pulled their heads out long enough
    to realize they were getting screwed as much as libs;

  2. The Pols’ handlers figured out a way to funnel the fed bucks into
    their offshore accounts.

You are so right. They will get a win win, as they will get the benefits of the program, and they will get to say they turned down “Obamacare”, which isn’t true of course, but when did that matter?

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Once again, I’m a few paragraphs in and I notice that the prose has a really nice flow to it, and the photos have captions(!), so I wonder, “what’s going on here?”
Then I realize it’s Dylan Scott’s article.

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Oh and to the other numbers –
Humans: 582,658 on July 1, 2013
Cattle: 1.29 million in 2012

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Yes:

Edit: The graph/data is old, but I couldn’t find the most recent data on Wyoming specifically so make of it what you will. But I’d doubt there’d be much change. Red states are leeches.

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Trying to find a way to change surrender into a win. These yahoos can put lipstick on that pig all they want, the bottom line is they LOST. They LOST big and have been shown for the petty, whiny, shrinking minority that they are.

I enjoy watching Republicans wallow in the pig shit looking for a way to save face.

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Yes, Google is a great tool but it needs to be used with a grain of salt. A State that takes in more federal dollars than it gives out could mean many different things, we need to dig deeper and see where and how these federal dollars are spent. For instance the page you have linked shows us in a chart that Wyoming is the State with the least SNAP recipients of the Union. Wyoming is also the State with huge national parks which are Federal property and maintained with Federal money. A poor State could have a very large military base which is of course funded by Federal dollars. Agricultural States receive Federal funding to keep the cost of fuel low so that produce sold all over the Country maintains an affordable price. New York retirees that move to Southern States bring with them their Federal funded pensions. We can’t just look at numbers without see what’s behind them.

70% of Wyoming voted for Romney??

That’s concentrated stupid.

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Federal dollars are still federal dollars. Whether or not a state has a large military presence, farm subsidies or a population of federal pension holders isn’t relevant to the overall point. Those things are still a very large contributing factor to a states economic structure/vitality and can’t just be hand-waved away as if they’re somehow different. Especially for a state with a population that largely believes that government spending is out of control and the root of all evil. I’ve been around this block a few times, and I know where you’re going. Your comment on SNAP recipients is telling.

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No doubt. Meet the Press quote from the future:

“You know, the ACA was really a Republican idea–straight out of the Heritage Foundation and Mitt Romney’s governorship of Massachusetts, that great conservative state, home of the original tea party…”

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I don’t see how that makes a difference. Whatever the reasons are: there are states which get more out of the Federal Treasury than they put into it. And these states are way disproportionally red states.

In other (hypothetical) words: if Wyoming were not part of the United States that would be good fiscal news for the US and disaster for Wyoming.

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It doesn’t make any difference. It’s a roundabout way of blaming welfare recipients and a dodge out of having to actually admit that federal tax dollars keep flyover states afloat.

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This is pretty much what many of us predicted would happen; that the hold-out states would slowly comes to adopt the ACA because it makes no financial sense to do otherwise.

The only part of this that surprises me is that some of these states are doing it now. I fully expected --and still expect-- an avalanche of ACA adoption a half-second after President Obama leaves office.

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Actually it looks like Wyoming is taking less in that it shells out, according to the link posted by another contributor.

I think there is a huge difference between States that survive on subsidies and handouts and those States that takes in more money that they shell out but provide for the general benefit of the Nation, let it be for protection, for food or, as in Wyoming, for maintaining natural beauties envied by the whole world.

I believe Wyoming would be happily do away with Federal money it gets to maintain it’s parks if it was left alone and be able to profit from it’s natural resources.

Here in Pima County, our 2012 population was 992,394, most of it in the Tucson area. So maybe we should secede from Arizona, apply for statehood [Free Baja Arizona!] and get our own 2 senators.

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Soon after President Obama leaves office.

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By what logic do the 2 national parks that Wyoming has, Yellowstone and Grand Teton, cost the state money? I would bet that they account for 90% of the tourists who set foot in Wyoming (if not more). Those tourists are a major source of revenue to the state and localities.

And do you think the natural beauty would have been preserved if not for the National Park Service? Teddy Roosevelt sure didn’t think they would be and I suspect he was right,

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If deep red Wyoming had its way, those parks would be subdivisions.

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Koch open-pit mines.

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