The Guardian says that Deutsche Bank has already complied with the subpoena.
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And then Mike Pence
Will make no sense
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I will have no problem ending up wrong about itâŚjust my gut feeling.
The only thing that might keep Trump from bothering is realizing that Mueller already has everything he needs from Flynn other than live testimony at a criminal trial. Everythingâs already on record under oathâŚand I bet on video tapeâŚor Flynn wouldnât have been allowed to plead guilty to only the one charge. Thus, thereâs really no point in pardoning FlynnâŚwhich Trump may or may not realizeâŚbut also no real damage to the investigation if it happens (hopefully). Flynnâs already subject to arguments that heâs not credibleâŚand Faux News and Derschowitz are doing everything they can to broadcast those arguments to the 4 corners of the potential jury pool. In the end, it kindof all comes down to whether these idiots realize how bad the optics look. Even if they do, I suspect they donât care, because theyâve been setting new records daily for bad optics AND IT NEVER MATTERS. Heck, half of this stupid country will probably cheer him for it just because itâs a giant fuck you to everyone else.
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Flynn is such a vengeful bastard, heâll probably continue to cooperate with Mueller even if Trump pardons him.
@honeybadger Are you impugning the sterling reputation ofâŚJay Sekulow?!? (Bwahahahahahaha!)
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And pardons in service of obstructing possible impeachment are null and void anywayâŚ
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The $60,000 question is if itâs premature to discuss Muellerâs firing.
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Jared will likely need the pardon first â another failure to disclose just droppedâŚ
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The quote is âhad subpoenaed financial records relating to the president are falseâ
My take is either a) DB handed over the requested documents voluntarily without a subpoena or b) the subpoena did not specifically say The PPresident. It said Trump Org or Kushner or something other than Donald PP Trump, Sr.
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Deutsche Bank is a wonderful little black box; suspect oligarch money goes in, clean dollars spring out for Trump & Co.
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What a great point! Seriously. By getting his cooperation and only charging him with probably the most minor of charges available to him, Mueller has effectively boxed everyone in. As someone pointed out in another thread, the kidnapping conspiracy, for instance, could be a state charge as well. If PP were to pardon him then exit Mueller, enter Schniderman. Mueller has hung a Damaclean sword over Flynnâs head, and itâs brilliant.
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Exactly, in his plea negotiations, Flynn was no doubt made Queen for a Day in which he had to cop to everything he knows. Typically, any information garnered from those discussions would be off limits, but Iâm wondering if thatâs the case if he accepts a pardon.
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So if this turns into all hell breaking loose - will the âirrational rambunctiousnessâ of the population be grounds for installation of national curfews, martial law, rounding up trouble makers and various other âtemporaryâ suspensions of civil rights for the purposes of âpreserving domestic tranquilityâ
because it appears that Trump views this all as a highly deranged game of Monopoly and he is Hell bent on âwinningâ at all costs - and if he feels sufficiently threatened he would stop at NOTHING to retain control
Trump could give a general pardon for all federal crimes Flynn committed or may have committed, like Ford did for Nixon.
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Eh, I donât think so. Heâs been hearing the same hair-on-fire commentary about killing the Mueller investigation, and he has yet to pull the trigger on that one. I think itâs because someone was able to beat into his thick skull that firing Mueller/pardoning Flynn is more dangerous and detrimental to him than simply letting it play out. Plus, I wouldnât be a bit surprised if heâs angry at Flynn for pleading out and thus being disloyal to him.
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Madam Press Secretary: How long before this starts?
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Thank you. I donât have much knowledge in the area.
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OO/T:
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