Why does the media bother with this grotesque person?
So this is OT but there seems to be some confusion over the Deutsch Bank subpoena story (as Josh is alluding to). Anyone know anything? WSJ says yes, but the story has not appeared on WaPo or NYT.
I wonder if the charges were limited to only one count of lying to the FBI, which would seem to me that any pardon would be limited to that count.
Mueller set up his plea deal to address this risk. He only agreed to not prosecute Flynn for the specific lies outlined in the Statement of Offense. Everything else is fair game. A few of those claims, like kidnapping and bribery, can be prosecuted at the state level and therefore out of the reach of Trump.
There is no value to a pardon of Flynn. It would admit Trump had something to hide and would be legally suspect. It would incriminate everyone who participated in the lies and cover up (not that he cares, but Jared is one of them). Flynn would lose his right to self-incrimination and would be forced to spill the beans. No good way for Trump to benefit from a Flynn or Manafort pardon (though legally speaking, Manafortâs charges arenât specifically tied to the campaign activity). The pardon is a vestige of the absolute/divine right of monarchs. It was limited on purpose for self-interested acts like âcases of impeachmentâ.
Serious question: does anybody ever discuss anything with Donald Trump unless he brings it up? Do they bring him questions, concerns, warnings for what might be coming up in the future? Try to get their yuuuge, classy, golden ducks in a row before getting called to the carpet? When/if they ever do so, they probably do it with Kelly, right? Donât let the twit-in-chief fuck things up until he absolutely has to?
I actually believe SHS in this case, I donât think anybodyâs intentionally raised the issue with Trump. I think itâs a defense mechanism, nothing more.
Wonder if Flynn, or his son, are susceptible to state charges, especially in New York. A presidential pardon wouldnât cover those, and the threat might keep him on the reservation.
I suspect thereâs a tug of war between the lawyers and sycophants who think der Furor can still beat the rap without admitting wrongdoing, and those who know the ship is sinking and are willing to do anythingâbecause pardoning Flynn would be an admission of guiltâto keep it afloat, if mortally wounded.
Mueller set up his plea deal to address this risk⌠There is no value to a pardon of Flynn.
Itâs almost as if, contrary to the beliefs of the fainting-minnow wing of the online left, Mueller has thought more than zero steps ahead and has gamed out what steps the overall investigative climate could take if he were removed. Imagine that, actually he thought of it already! 
Thank you for your perspective. It is always informative.
âI just said I havenât had the conversation with him because I donât feel that itâs necessary until we get further down the road and determine whether or not thatâs even something needed.â
Something needed? Did she just unintentionally give up the ghost? Clearly, sheâs not smart to realize that the time to pardon would be now, before he gives Mueller anymore ammo. âDown the roadâ isnât going to help anyone.
Iâm not a lawyer, but I think the president could do some kind of broad general pardon if he wanted and was arrogant and crazy enough to do it. It wouldnât work on state charges though. By charging Flynn on very narrow charges, Mueller has avoided any kind of double indemnity issues and other complications that could arise from a state charging Flynn after the feds charge him. Mueller put some thought and care into the pardon possibility.
Yeah, the âsomething neededâ was a Freudian slip, wasnât it?
If Flynn gives in, Trump will dump.
Geeze âŚ
Itâs not like there isnât anyone in this administration that doesnât have any experience with â premature â âŚ
Soo ⌠whatâs the problem ?? âŚ
âPrematureâ. Meaning that Flynnâs pardoning wonât happen until tomorrow at the earliest. :-/
Yep. Dotard can pardon Flynn all he wants and it wonât help either of them. Moreover, Mueller already knows everything Flynn knows about Kushner, Uday and Daddy et al.; Flynn had to tell all as part of the plea agreement. And heâd still have to testify regardless.
Wouldnât you just love to see all the press get up and leave just as this âladyâ walked into the meeting?
Trump: I knew Flynn lied. Everyone knew he lied to FBI. Why is that a big deal? He was going to mak $15million tax free and abduct some terrorist in US. Now he has even lost that. Least I can do is pardon him.
"I donât feel that itâs necessary until we get further down the the road and determine whether or not thatâs even something needed.â
Since when would pardoning someone who pleaded guilty to a federal felony be âneededâ? Oh yeah, when you finally get word that itâs leading up the chain to the guy with the power to pardon people.
If you think heâs not pardoning Flynn, then you need your fucking head examined. Faux News has been making the case for it all day, manufacturing complete fucking idiocy about the entire Mueller probe AND THE CLINTON INVESTIGATION having been totally tainted by bias and, at least as far as Clinton is concerned, clearly requiring a do-over. It took them all of 3 minutes to go from âholy shit, Flynn got flipped and is spilling the beansâŚPANIC!!!â do putting on Very Serious Faces to ask the camera âhas the Muller investigation completely fallen apart?â GET. READY. TO. BE. OUTRAGED. We are now a banana republic FOR REAL THIS TIME.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/05/mueller-deputy-praised-doj-official-after-defied-trump-travel-ban-order-am-so-proud.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/04/fbi-agent-fired-from-russia-probe-oversaw-flynn-interviews-changed-comey-memos-on-clinton-charges.html
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/05/fired-fbi-official-at-center-flynn-clinton-dossier-controversies-revealed.html
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/12/05/gregg-jarrett-how-fbi-official-with-political-agenda-corrupted-both-mueller-and-comey-investigations.html
And of course: Itâs all Obamaâs faultâŚ
Trump has been watching this deluge of propagandist nonsense ALL. FUCKING. DAY. rapidly convincing himself that everyone in the country sees what an unfair witchhunt it is against him and what a conspiracy it was that Clinton didnât go to jail on the 3rd day of the FBI looking into her emails.
Flynn is getting pardoned by Friday.
Okay, Iâll bet you five internet bucks DJT wonât have done a damn thing by Friday. He wouldnât even fire Comey without stewing on it over the weekend with his most inept and clueless enablers.