Discussion: WH Executive Privilege Over Report Stalls Mueller Testimony Planning

Well, itā€™s ā€œup to Bobā€ whether to testify or not but itā€™s ā€œup to Barrā€ how much Mueller can say. Just ask Mueller how much the OLC memo influenced his decision!

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ā€œUp to Bobā€, eh?

LowBarr knew perfectly well that Spankeeā€™s lawyers would try to pull this and thus it would never be ā€œup to Bobā€ā€¦

How do we know LowBarr is lying? He opens his mouthā€¦

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Well itā€™s up to Bob as long as he says he wonā€™t. Otherwise itā€™s up to Donald.

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Doesnā€™t matterā€¦more (much more) will be coming to light. The analogy I would use is a scenario of a 100-mile wide iceberg being towed to the Dutch seashore.

Trump cannot stop thisā€¦the information on his corruption, criminality and obstruction.

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How can Trump invoke executive privilege over material already made public?
How can Trump invoke executive privilege over matters that happened prior to his inauguration?
How can Trump invoke executive privilege over matters that he was not an participant of after he became President?

And this idea maybe dumb but,
If he his invoking his executive privilege over all kinds of matters that tax payers donā€™t get hear about then the cost of said investigation should be deducted from his salary and/or all future salary until such time that the cost has been paid in full. There should be cost associated with privilege, and that privilege shouldnā€™t be cheap

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The same way that the government has (in past administrations) classified material that was already in the public domainā€¦

Heck, executive privilege is whatever Roberts will let him get away with.

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We may not really have any other choice, but this is a clear example of why playing strictly by the rules is so often a losing proposition. One reason that so many terrible people end up with large amounts of power and money is because the good people got stopped well down the ladder precisely because they were restrained by being good people.

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It is odd how often ā€œNational Securityā€ coincides with ā€œthis would be embarassing.ā€

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Yeah, just remember back a few years ago, the head of the NSA testifying that nope, no Americans were being spied on. And the Senators kept trying to get him to answer the truth, they knew it from their classified briefings, but he was comfortable lying in public.

Took Snowden to reveal that he was lying his fucking ass off. I fully expect weā€™ll be relying on a similar brave move to crack this open.

Anything embarrassing might be used by our enemies to humiliate us! Therefore, have to keep it secret.

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There is no ā€˜plan.ā€™ There is no ā€˜stall.ā€™

Itā€™s called obstruction.

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Mueller ainā€™t no hero, heā€™s a zero.

Heā€™s a man with absolutely nothing to lose by standing up and doing whatā€™s right for the country.

The fact that he hasnā€™t already spoken up tells me all I need to know about his involvement in the cover-up and conspiracy.

Remember, Olā€™ ā€œHeroā€ Bob is one of the guys that lied to us about Iraq and WMDs. Hey pal thanks for your service. You should be in jail for that one alone.

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ā€œOne reason that so many terrible people end up with large amounts of power and money is because the good people got stopped well down the ladder precisely because they were restrained by being good people.ā€

let me see. so, for the sake of the common good, good people should be bad? sounds perilous.

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Hair GropenFĆ¼ror is already an embarrassment and no secret. :smirk:

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It isnā€™t any recommendation, just a statement about an unfortunate coincidence that isnā€™t entirely a coincidence.

Weā€™re getting very close to the point where the metaphorical guns of law and order will be blazing against this treasonous regime. Iā€™m thinking that Independence Day will have a whole new meaning in 2019. Meaning that, the heaviest page will be turned by then. Still a long way to go from there, but major shift change Iā€™m thinking/hoping for.

It will be time for all Americans to roll up their sleeves and do some serious bitch slapping on these traitors. Hell, itā€™s time now.

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That comes in contrast with Attorney General William Barrā€™s latest remarks to the WSJ, when he said it was ā€œup to Bobā€ whether he wants to testify.

Psstt. Bill Barrā€™s a liar, just like Nancy said.

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Well said.

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Yes, all of these executive privilege claims are puzzling.

Itā€™s my understanding that privilege cannot be claimed for criminal behavior. The executive has no right to keep his own criminal behavior confidential.

Also, since these were not discussions between the executive and his staff, but rather an independent investigation of the executive, how does that get twisted into something the executive can control and suppress?

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Have we impeached the motherfucker yet?

Nobody is listening to us and itā€™s still supposed to be our country. So pitchforks, torches, whatever it takes.

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