I have to say, I’m intrigued by that sign…“Protect bears ears”??
What’s that about?
Did I miss a new chance to be outraged?
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Tena for the record - neither Hillary or Bernie was my first choice in the primary; I just wanted the strongest GE candidate possible. I like and respect her very much, I just was concerned about her in the general - turns out I was wrong, she won handily, by nearly 3 million votes nationally.
And I proudly voted for her in the general, and donated sweat, time and money - happily.
And I eas certainly not alone in that regard - the overwhelming majority of those who didn’t have Clinton as their first choice in the primary supported her in the general. And I’ll bet it was higher in the battleground states.
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One of the few delightful things about politics since 1/21/17 has been watching the Republican party splinter in all kinds of ways.
However, I’m sick to death of people on the left and people on the center-left are still re-litigating the 2016 election. We are not that terribly far apart, people! For us to splinter when the Republicans are already showing huge fault lines is political suicide.
It’s demoralizing enough when the efforts of the backers of a proto-fascist candidate are effective in snatching the election away from us and enabling all the heartless bastards in the Republican Congress (that would be 90-plus percent of them). But it’s an order of magnitude worse when people at least nominally on our side shoot us in the foot.
IMHO both the Clinton side and the Bernie side made very serious errors that contributed significantly to HRC’s defeat and I frankly think both sides are pretty equally culpable. Even now, four months later, many on either side insist on imputing 100% of the blame to the other, admitting NO fault at all to themselves. Oh it’s an easy game to play–if the other side made all the mistakes, then you can retain control of the levers of power (the HRC remnant view) or you can claim a mandate for taking over those levers for yourself (the Bernie view). Either way it’s juvenile thinking that bodes ill for the future of progressive politics in this country.
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You poor, poor tiny Wisconsinites; she didn’t visit you personally so therefore you couldn’t possibly vote for a decent candidate
Man, I’m on your side of this argument, but this kind of made me want to not be. Can we stop being assholes to each other and save our snark for the Trumpites?
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She didn’t give us a fascist president. She was clearly the better candidate and better qualified person to be president. If you think that 45 ran a better campaign than HRC, then it’s your comprehension skills that are in question. Putin put 45 in the WH, not HRC.
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See this map? The red states are those which had voting restrictions in place for the first time in a presidential election since 2016, and WI is easy to find. . In WI 300,000 registered voters, according to a federal court, lacked strict forms of voter ID. Voter turnout in WI was at its lowest levels in 20 years and decreased 13% in Milwaukee where 70% of the state’s African American lives. Some voters tried several times to vote and finally gave up. I wonder how many visits, campaign rallies, etc., she would have to held to overcome the barriers that were in place. So, let us not dwell in la la land where attacks on voter rights don’t occur and can be cured by rallies…
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Precisely why all of the noise about her losing is just noise.
Y’all really think that those of us who supported her want to keep hearing the opinions about Hillary’s “terrible campaign”?
And especially in light of the fact that nothing about this election was fair or honest. So I fail utterly to get what the point of this is.
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Amen. We’re responding to an article about a republican congressman being booed, and we’re arguing about 2016 instead of enjoying the schadenfreude? I hope there are Russian trolls in this comment section that are instigating this and we’re not just this self-destructive.
UT-4 is R+14. Mia Love in 3 elections has lost by a fraction (2012), Won by 5% (2014), and Won by 12% (2016).
She’s a big Dumblefuck supporter and in a midterm, particularly a midterm full of angry voters who can’t stand the pResident, she can be beat.
Too bad Jim Matheson left the House, but he saw the writing on the wall so I don’t really blame him.
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Bears Ears National Monument. Obama established it in the lame-duck period and the GOP was (predictably) outraged, because Presidenting While Black and STATE RAHHHTS. They want to strip its status, just like they want to abolish most national parks and monuments so they can be sold to moneyed interests.
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My bad. How many times did he go there in '12 and to MI?
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That is a shame about Matheson, but yeah no doubt. Ugh she’s just brutal though. Any shot to unseat Chaffetz, do you think?
R+25 and the chair of an influential committee…I don’t see it.
But at the same time, he disrespects his own constituents with his approach to town halls and dismissal of opposition voters.
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Agreed, and I think its worth noting that the very reason these restrictions were ever allowed to be put in place is because Dems didn’t show up in 2010. Folks sat home and taught lessons in an idiotic attempt to push the party to the left. That ushered in not only a wave that took the House, set up the Rs to take the Senate in '14, but it also gave them control of a bunch of key governorships. We’ll be paying for 2010 for at least another 4 years at the very minimum. Even if we take back both houses of Congress, we’ll still be stuck with PP, Pence, or Ryan as president. What’s worse, we’ll be stuck with Gorsuch for decades.
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Yeah, I hear you. Didn’t realize it was that red. Man he is odious.
I try to block out and ignore her existence. She disgusts me.
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We’ll also always have the plutocrats who were unleashed by Citizens United, including the Kochs and Robert Mercer who will buy any R candidate they want.
@coffee I think it’s the nature of threads that while we start out on a topic, in this case Nunes, we invariably wander off course because so many smart people want to share what they know on not necessarily related topics.
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My dad was a pilot in WW11. He’d be disgusted by what is happening in this country. I never knew the person he was before the war because I wasn’t around but I know it changed him. I saw the war in his eyes. It was subtle but I saw it. Not as pronounced as you can see the war in James Stewarts eyes in “It’s a Wonderful Life”. That desperate challenge to remain whole, to take the honest path, to not be overcome by fear. But it was there enough to know that he knew the difference between war and peace, between good and bad. He knew what democracy was. My dad and mom had a friend that ended up in Stalag 17. He knew what democracy was. He was an expert. I can tell you one thing for sure, our Republican representatives are very sheltered people. It’s not that they don’t care about the ramification the bills they are passing are going to have on their children and grandchildren. It’s not that they don’t care about not dealing with the cluster F in the white house. I’m sure they’re freaking out. I think the problem is they don’t know what real hell is. There aren’t many former homeless congressmen so they don’t remember the cold of the street. Who among them went without food? Who dealt with cancer without insurance? In their life, there is always a back door. There was always someone to pick them up. There is nobody in their life that says, “Dude, gerrymandering is not cool. It lessons the value of the vote. Don’t work on that bill. Just because one sheep jumped over the cliff, does that mean you have to? Get a clue.” Instead they lead us from a democracy my dad risked his life to protect. And I hate them for it.
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Me too. I was going to write up thread that she’s the worst - unfortunately, however, it occurred to me that with Jason Chaffetz also hailing from UT she has got some stiff competition.
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What a powerful message. Thank you for posting.
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