Discussion for article #244085
Iâm asking, as an American, why this happened. I think we have the right to ask that.
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Query: How can the airline refuse to refund the ticket price?
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From Stella Creasyâs article on The Guardian site:
Despite making enquiries, Iâve hit a brick wall too â except to get confirmation that the ÂŁ9,000 they spent on flights will not be refunded. Norwegian Airâs small print states that if you are refused entry it has no liability â and without any information from Homeland Security, the family cannot query whether this clause is invoked on fair or unfair grounds. Faced with no holiday, no explanation and no compensation, it is little wonder that festive cheer is in short supply and anger is growing.
People suck, and we Americans are sucking harder all the time. Merry ***ing Christmas.
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What does the claim of the travel being âpre-approvedâ mean in this context?
Did the Donald pull up their drawbridge?
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I canât imagine trudging out to Gatwick with nine kids in tow, checking in, going through security, starting your holiday at duty free, making your way to the gate in preparation for your flight with everyone chatting about what they want to see at Disneyland and THEN being told you canât get on the flight AND YOUR $13,340 IN AIRFARE WILL NOT BE REFUNDED.
I wouldâve probably been arrested before I left the airport.
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It seems to me that there is not enough information here to draw any conclusions. It appears we know only two things, that the family was Muslim and that they were denied entry into the United States. We do not know that those two things are connected. We donât know why they were denied entry. Somewhere in the world, there is at this moment a Christian person, a Jewish person, a Hindu person, another Muslim (etcâŚ) being denied entry into this county for a myriad of reasons having nothing to do with religion. If we were told that a family of 5, all of whom were 6 feet 2 inches tall, were denied entry into the United States, I donât think we would immediately conclude that they were denied entry based on their height. It is a less than ethical tactic of modern day journalism to report an event that happens to someone, provide a single demographic characteristic about that someone, and, by doing so, invite people to conclude that the event and the demographic characteristic must be connected. Perhaps more complete reporting and less jumping to conclusions would be a good idea.
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U.S. Customs and Border Protection issued a statement following an inquiry into Mahmoodâs case. While the agency didnât address his familyâs situation directly, it said would-be visitors to the U.S. can be prevented from entering the country based on more than 60 grounds of inadmissibility, including health-related issues, criminal backgrounds, immigration violations or security concerns.
âThe religion, faith, or spiritual beliefs of an international traveler are not determining factors about his/her admissibility into the U.S.,â the CBP statement read.
âHe wouldnât tell me anything more,â Mahmood told Metro UK. âI felt humiliated and my kids were tearful they were so upset. Iâd never experienced anything like that.â
The airline and Homeland Security are two separate entities. The airline will say itâs not their fault they didnât make their flight.
Trump: No Terrorists in USofA. We will take their money and not return it. DHS is finally doing something of note.
We may have the right to ask, but Iâm not sure we have the right to know. Some interactions between the government and individuals are just for those individuals and the government to know the details of. If you were audited by the IRS, I might have the right to ask why, but I would not have the right to know why.
I donât understand what happened if the trip was pre-approved, unless it was pre-approved by a different person or agency?
And, by the way, Iâve never had to be pre-approved for a trip. I can imagine how inconvenient that must be.
Your point is generally a valid one, but when both US and UK security organizations communicate nothing at all after doing this, that silence creates a vacuum, and that vacuum has been filled with the easiest conclusion. If there was a valid reason for this, fineâletâs hear it. If not, apologize and give those people an all-expenses paid vacation. How great a country are we if we lock the doors?
And almost certainly the notice that youâve been pre-approved by security to fly generates no liability for the government when you purchase tickets based on that noticeâŚ
This is from a UK guardian article. Tight now there is no one in charge of immigration controlled by Trump or Cruz. Those guys are vying for that position but they donât yet have it. They sling a lot of anti-Muslim trash talk around but none of it is policy. They cannot be blamed. The Obama administration is in charge.
So if this is to be fixed itâs Obama thatâs going to do the fixing.
Let them come to the USA and give them a stop off at the White House. Itâs Obamaâs call.
Its in your ticket purchase agreement. Particularly if any discount was involved. Current law protects the airlines not the people that fly on them.
At least they avoided the âitâs a small worldâ earworm.
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âI wouldâve probably been arrested before I left the airport.â
LOL! We would have been handcuffed together! Whatâs killing me though is the WHY!
As a matter of record, I was also denied entrance to Disney World in CA for long hair - some fifty years ago.
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Fundamentals of Fiscal ConsâŚ
Wonder how much money Disneyland lost ---- and if theyâll sue for lost revenue.
So the whole family was barred? Or just one member? The latter I can kind of understand based on the crazy no-fly list, but not the former. How do you put a whole family on a no-fly list? And why just the US? Supposedly, weâre sharing terrorist intel with our allies, and so the Brits should have never approved the flight. Something doesnât add up. I admit I may misunderstand how this works.