Discussion: Under The Gun Over Census, Wilbur Ross Stiffs Congressional Hearing

You’re an elected member of the House of Representatives? Shouldn’t you be working right now?

likely interferes with his naptime. send in the marshalls to haul his wrinkly old ass in. and then arrest him for his previous lies to congress.

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Can you blame him? Ross found out there were no Sweet’N Low packets to steal at the witness table.

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I remember that shit. I remember looking up blast ranges and distance from my house to Wright-Patterson AFB (a test facility but still a likely target). As I said previously, if that asshole starts a nuclear spasm I don’t care to wake up.

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People who care about this issue already know about - and for people who don’t care.ount of tetimony is going to shake their ignorance or change their minds.

This thing is going to be decided by SCOTUS - period.

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That’s a very good point.

Forcing Ross to speak under oath and on the record still has value though.

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You mean like this but less fun?

Cc @katscherger

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He says from behind his keyboard.

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We’re probably going to see a lot of this kind of thing in the near future. These republicans don’t recognize procedural norms, nor do they respect our governing traditions. I fully expect they will violate any and every traditional boundary in an effort protect their power by invalidating the balance of powers built into the Constitutiuon. My feeling is that the democrats are doing this right by honoring our governing traditions and then protecting the boundaries when they are violated.

I don’t buy the line that the current crop of democrats in congress are just a bunch of clueless wimps waiting for the GOP to walk all over them.

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Wilbur is an old scary cat :cat: from the 19th century!

Well, maybe “pantywaist” is a distortion of the Democrats. I don’t really think it’s a fair description and I don’t see how their failure in your eyes to instantly issue a subpoena upon receipt of the letter justifies saying so.

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Because we’ve been down this road before during the Shrubs administration

Former President George W. Bush maintained that senior White House aides had enjoyed “absolute immunity” from congressional subpoenas. As a result, the Bush Justice Department refused to seek criminal contempt charges for executive branch officials who failed to answer demands from Congress.

The question is not issuing the subpoenas. The real issue is enforcement.

It was not until the election of the “O” man that Rove got his assteroids in front of Congress. We may have to wait until after the 2020 election.

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Yes using a keyboard.

How do you put your keen observations into a web form?

I should have chosen my words more clearly. Pantywaist has a sexist tone to it that I didn’t really intend and I think distracts from my point.

The main thrust was meant to express frustration with the pattern of ineffectiveness that typifies the modern Democratic party.

I disagree with your point about instant subpoenas. They’ve been threatening Ross with it for months and they’ve been flouted for months.

Lock Him UP!

'Cause there is no merit?
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Under the gun over census, Wilbur Ross stiffs congressional hearing

Somehow using ‘gun’ in anything referring to a human, now-a-days seems a bit inappropriate JMO

The notion that insisting on oversight in the strongest possible way is futile because the Republicans won’t follow the law strikes me as misguided.

The Democrats can make them pay a price for their lawlessness and adopting a “can’t win, don’t try” approach let’s them completely off the hook.

I just mostly think that with the new House majority we’re seeing some fairly robust oversight generally. I’m pleased with that, and relieved, and willing for this to be a long war of attrition that culminates at the right time, which I judge to be in the latter months of the year 2020. And I’ve consistently argued that people who’ve complained over the years that the Democrats won’t “fight” often seem to me to be demanding emotionally satisfying expenditures of political capital that are counterproductive in outcome terms. Ineffectually yelling about stuff just makes you look weak. And most of all, I think the Republicans are the bad guys. I’d rather yell at them.

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LOCK HIM UP! Lock them all up.

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I expect house oversight will be doing a lot of - “Express frustration over failure to comply…”

No one who is deep in the dirty end of the business is going to respond to any ‘requests to appear’ or suggestion of a subpoena - in any shape or form.

They’re just not.

Why not? Because they don’t have to. Because there is no real consequence for failing to appear - or failing to testify under oath. None. Zip. Zero.

I’d like to believe otherwise - but I think we’re in for the “Long stall over the long haul.”

It’s all posturing for position until the elections.

Meanwhile, turtle keeps jamming through judges - because that’s what the ‘REAL’ long haul is all about.