Discussion: TX Federal Judge Rules Obamacare 'Invalid,' Appeals Sure To Follow

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#105

Heard Jolly say this before, but bears repeating-

“I’m not sure Republicans even know what they’re fighting for right now when it comes to health care,” said David Jolly, a former Republican congressman from Florida who now identifies as an independent. “Opposing Obamacare has become reflexive GOP orthodoxy, but they just spent six months saying they’d protect pre-existing conditions. Hard to square GOP campaign promises with the court victory by GOP attorneys general.”

and…

if it’s reversed, some legal experts expect the Supreme Court to turn down the case.
Legal scholars say that if the lawsuit is taken by the Supreme Court, it’ll be in 2020 at the earliest that the justices hear the case. That could make it a defining issue in Trump’s re-election bid.

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#106

Taxes have been unconstitutional ever since the Citizens United ruling.

Once it is determined that money is speech, and so long as the Constitution prohibits Congress from making any law abridging freedom of speech. then Congress can make no law telling you how to spend your money. Making laws that require you to pay some of your money to the government is then clearly unconstitutional.

I’m really surprised that no one has yet brought a suit testing this. It provides an interesting dichotomy: Either Citizens United was wrongly decided or else Congress has no power to tax (at least not to require money in payment of taxes) for all that Congress’s power to tax is written into the Constitution.

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#107

He’s absolutely precious!

A bit of training and you’ll find out he’s smarter than you believe.

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#108

Mixes are the best! I have 3 rescue beagles and the purer they are bred, the more heath problems they seem to have. But just bundles of love!

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#109

Let republicans do it.

#110

I love this.

It means we can exercise our right to be quiet, which means we don’t have to give our money to anyone we don’t want. Government cannot force us to speak. Therefore it can’t force us to pay : - )

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#111

I repeat, the only solution is the Annihilation of Republican’s at all levels of Government at the ballot box.

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#112

The irony is that the ER law was passed during the Reagan Administration as part of COBRA.

As I recall, although dumping was going on across the country, the case of a emergency room patient at one California hospital being transported to, and dumped in front of, another hospital in a poorer neighborhood made the National news. It later emerged that the patient was also a US veteran.

Since Reagan at the time had been bashing the USSR for having different standards of medical care for the members of the Politburo vs the average citizen, the USSR made the most of this propaganda victory.

As a result, Reagan supported the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA) - the law saying ERs can’t turn away emergency patients because they can’t afford their care.

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#113

He who once said health care should be affordable for everyone and promised as much saying “it will be easy and great health care” says the killing of the ACA is “a great thing for our country”.
So in fact trump does not like universal health care…
Or maybe it was because it was Obama who got us universal health care. Anything Obama did is something trump is driven to kill…good, bad or indifferent. Anything and everything. It could be balancing the federal budget and wiping out the national debt. If Obama did it then it hasta be undone.

Thank the Maker my Medicare wasn’t something Obama did. But the GOP wants to kill that as well

#114

I would go a srep further and say that the republican party ought to be outlawed. Banned. Killed. Made illegal. Considering that it’s a crime organization.

#115
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#116

Good thread, lots of reassurance. So no throwing the deckchairs overboard for now.

#117

Well, there’s certainly a lot of bull being slung around.

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#118

Yes, it is what it is.

#119

One reason among so many.

#120

The thing is, it sounds extreme, but it is fact.

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#121

Agreed. But the Republicans do not care if he achieves the desired outcome.

To paraphrase (badly) a quote of unknown origins:

“One man’s nut-job is another man’s wise and respected Jurist.”

#122

Well, they certainly do not understand the milk of human kindness in their world. Bull it is.

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#123

I doubt it. Think about how we got here. In 2000 GW Bush was placed in the Oval Office by the Scotus. I live in Florida and know damn well he did not win this state. But a Court of un-elected folks put him in office. Once there he appointed the Judge that made this ruling. A horrible man that’s ruled against native Americans, LGBT and other minority groups every time an issue concerning them comes before him. And where is this ruling going to end up? Right back at Scotus where it all began.

I know this Blog and many others harped on about the GOP wanting to kill O’care. In reality they don’t. Never did. That’s political pablum like building a wall along the Mexican border. It rallies the rubes but if they actually did it they’d expose themselves to the consequences. 20 million uninsured or a 5 billion dollar wall that ends up at 75 billion and leaks like a sieve. This ruling really hit’s the GOP in the teeth. And that’s the only thing that might save ACA at Scotus. The political ramifications. Like it did the last time. Those assholes never gave a shit about it’s Constitutional points.

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#124

“As I predicted all along, Obamacare has been struck down as an UNCONSTITUTIONAL disaster!” Trump tweeted. “Now Congress must pass a STRONG law that provides GREAT healthcare and protects pre-existing conditions.”

One conservative Bush the Lesser appointee to a District position does not a general “unconstitutional” finding make…and that finding would never have been found had Trump and the GOP House/Senate not set the tax penalty to zero.

What should the House do given this turn of events? The Democratic House of Representatives should pass the Medicare for All Act. Then, if THE WORLD-WIDE ASSHOLE wants just one thing to hang his hat on that shows that he improved on the Affordable Care Act, then the moron in chief should back it and put heat on the GOP Senate to approve it. And then THE WORLD-WIDE ASSHOLE should sign it into law.

But who am I kidding? He won’t do it if it doesn’t somehow line his pockets. Grifters gotta grift.

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