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āThis was started by President Obama when he didnāt go in and do the job he should have when he drew the line in the sand, which turned out to be a very artificial line,ā
Of course itās Obamaās fault. Everything in the region was flowers and rainbow before that soft-on-terror Obama was elected to destroy all of our good Bush/Cheney work in the Middle East.
Edit: And Trumpās soft on Syrian refugees will make his foam at the mouth anti-immigrant supporters heads explode.
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Oh, the region was a paradise after the British and French carved it up and brought the light of Western Civilization to those poor benighted sods living in the region [sarcasm mode off].
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Nailed it. Doesnāt The Chump know that these people are kinda brownish? Not to mention mooslim?
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I see weāve reached the part of the episode where he begins to derail his primary campaign. Heās not actually completely aligned with the Teatroll base, just using them and their fear, rage and energy. Heāll eventually tell us what he thinks, not what they want to hear, one too many times. Itās really just a matter of whether he crosses their tolerance thresholdā¦as low as we know it to beā¦or stays in their blind spotsā¦as huge as we know them to beā¦by the time the primary vote rolls around.
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Like all of those folks coming in from Central America werenāt in a living hell. See any parallels there Donald?
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Sounds like it doesnāt it.
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This is assuming there is a credible GOP alternative that will excite the base in the same way. I donāt see one. Trumpās rise is due to the fieldās weakness.
Maybe Cruz, but thatās it.
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No, it was not āflowers and rainbowā. But when Obama decided to do absolutely nothing after the previously announced āred lineā was crossed and Assad had used chemical weapons, AND at a time when even France was ready to use force - well, that decision certainly did not help the secular opponents or Assad or the entire situation in Syria. No, two years later, Assad is still killing his people in droves, anyone who can flee is fleeing the country, the secular opposition is weak and ISIS has become much, much stronger.
It is bold to argue that none of these developments are in any way connected to Obamaās decision to stay completely out of Syria.
The GOP enjoys a structural advantage the Dems do not: they can take their die-hard true-believer baseās motivation and votes for granted. They will turn out to vote for Bush or Walker or whoever, because to them it is about taking back what they believe is rightfully theirs: white Christian male dominance of our nation, society and culture.
Unfortunately, Clinton has apparently yet to learn that she does not have this luxury with the Dem/liberal base.
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not all Syrians are all brownish. Thatās what bothers me, because he (or any GOP āpresidentā) might use that criteria to judge who gets in.
So the question is: should the president have gone to war over that? Thatās what Trump is inferring that he would have done.
tRump and Cheney have much in common. Both seem to think these problems started when Obama became President, not when the Bushies destabilized the entire Middle-East when they decided to invade Iraq on a pack of lies.
As far as tRump leaning towards accepting Syrian refugeesā¦I think the rest of the GOP field just found his Achilles heal, especially if theyāre able to get him to nail down a number, which Iām not sure theyāll be able to do. These Pukes are against any immigration. In the end, tRump may just be saying heās willing to accept a mere 1,500 Syrian refugeesā¦so itāll turn out that once again, heās blowing smoke up everyoneās ass and hasnāt a serious clue how to deal with this or any other problems really.
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Okā¦the red line was regarding the use of chemical weapons by Assad. He crossed it, and Obama began to rattle his saber until Russia stepped in with a proposal to avoid a difficult task of militarily targeting and removing those chemical weapons by having Syria agree to remove and destroy them on their own. How exactly is that a bad thing? Obama never agreed to remove Assad from power for using chemical weapons, he merely said that such use would not be tolerated. And it wasnāt.
And lets just suppose we had engaged in the killing campaign to satisfy your blood lust in Syria. You think that somehow reducing Assad would make ISIS, which came into existence and grew as an opposition force to his regimeā¦would somehow get weaker? Or are you just saying we should kill them all and let God sort them out?
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Heās safe for now. If he were anyone else on that side of the aisle (Cruz, Huck, Paul or Christie), then the question of āwhat is he selling?ā would be getting louder. However heās playing with house money for now. That the type of lucre that can afford one the opportunity to look presidential.
Hmmmmmmmmmm
T-Rump 's inviting Syrian refugees to stay in his hotels because heās so concerned?
Or sending funds to the affected nations to aid in their care?
Thank you for that. Folks on that side of the aisle forgot how Iraqās Al-Quedaās Iraqi branch first came about.
No, the supposition @HugePreuss is presenting is false right off the bat. He is presenting the assumption that the Syrian Civil War is Obamaās fault, that somehow with the public appetite for yet another Mid Eastern War at an all time low, we should be unilaterally weighing in to play police manā¦sending in troops to stop a civil war where basically every faction on BOTH sides hates us and would just as soon shoot American troops as each other.
Its a naive and convenient assumption, and completely baseless.
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ā¦but NO Mexicans.
You think that somehow reducing Assad would make ISIS, which came into existence and grew as an opposition force to his regimeā¦would somehow get weaker?
Thatās why I am in agreement. People again forget that a) ISIL was an unnecessary āside effectā of starting a war that was based on a lie.
Now the second part is essentially something that even learned men have yet to come up with a solution. If the west gets rid of Assad, who steps in to prevent a vacuum? ISIL primary goal is to recreate a bastardized version of the āold timesā. If Assad were to go via military force, someone would stand to benefit.
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