Discussion: Trump To Black Voters: 'What The Hell Do You Have To Lose?'



He asked white people what black people have to lose. OK I’ll start:

  1. Your right to vote.

Yes, let’s just join the political party responsible for making them 2nd class citizens because they will elevate all minorities. Of course. Why didn’t we think of this sooner?


“What do you have to lose by trying something new, like Trump?” he asked them. “You’re living in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed — what the hell do you have to lose?”

According to blackdemocraphics.com 46.5% of African Americans are in the middle or upper middle class, yet Trump says, “You’re living in poverty.”

I am sure he’s knows exactly what he’s talking about.


These clowns have figured out that to get press coverage, something out of the ordinary has to happen. In Lower Drumphistan it happens every day. Most of it is made up out of thin air. The actual reality part, say Manafort’s treason could conceivably get press coverage too. Some day…


“What do you have to lose by trying something new, like Trump?” he asked them. “You’re living in your poverty, your schools are no good, you have no jobs, 58 percent of your youth is unemployed — what the hell do you have to lose?”

Maybe because this is a result of policies enacted by people like Trump??

And please don’t bother asking him about the Central Park Five, voting rights, or his wholehearted embrace of white nationalists.

One side is legitimately trying, the other side doesn’t give a damn.


Republicans are already trying to take away the vote of blacks with all those state GOP voter suppression bills. Maybe Trump plans to cart them off like he’s threatens Hispanics and Muslim to make them slaves in the Deep South again?

Trump already uses illegal aliens at his golf courses. Bet he stiffs their paychecks for pennies on the dollar just like he does small businesses,

Who knows what this fascist madman has planned for anyone? Once a con man always a con man.


Being an old white man, I can’t truly assess the reactions of the Black community to Trump’s exhortation. I suppose it’s possible that he may have a few takers, though I tend to doubt it. Most reactions I have seen or read stress that this is really a plea to conservative, but not “whitist”, voters who might not want to vote for Trump, because they see his overt appeal to racists as being a step too far. By appearing to ‘reach out to blacks’ he’s subtly telling the more circumspect of conservative white voters that: ‘see, I’m not such a bad guy after all, I’m not so racist after all.’

Will this bizarre approach succeed? I have no idea.


He’s never met a middle class black because they know enough to stay away from any Trump casino?


As Josh M points out…

…ostensibly “appealing to black voters” in a way that is unlikely to persuade more than a handful of them, in an effort that is really aimed at reassuring moderate white voters that the GOP candidate is not (overtly) racist, is a pretty standard play made by Republican candidates. Trump is just bungling the job more spectacularly than most.


I don’t know about that, but let’s look to Bill Clinton for guidance. He said at the convention that the GOP has manufactured and is running against a “cartoon” of Hillary Clinton. Perhaps this is also how some, but not all of the GOP approach blacks, minorities, LGBT, and others not of their tribe: as cartoons. With that in mind, Trump’s implicit assumptions about the black community are understandable as a caricature, and it is apparently a view he shares with large numbers of his supporters.


The average Palin Person still can’t figure out how they put those ships inside a bottle. I highly doubt that any subtle argument would work with the GOP base today such as it is. .

More than likely, Trump confused the hell out of them yesterday by rambling on for nearly a half an hour at that white supremacist rally outside of Detriot about how much he loves The Black and will make them his first priority as president. I think Trump’s new bleached blonde handler is really confused herself about what Trump’s appeal is and to whom.

Moderates and Independents have already made up their minds. Donald has burned bridges that cannot be rebuilt.


I’m not black either, but being In North Carolina, I have met some of the “takers” as you put it.

They tend to fall into two categories, the “Fuck you, got mine” group that knows no race. Then there is the… God, I hate it, but there really is no other way to put it… “Uncle Tom” bracket. They tend to be weirdly racist too. Basically if you’ve ever seen “The Boondocks” Uncle Ruckus character… Yeah he really exists.


In summary: Trump: “You’re all ignorant, poor, on welfare and your lives are hell holes____VOTE FOR ME!”

Is this the ‘pivot’? This is the “pivot” we’ve heard so much about since his ‘teleprompter regret’ speech, isn’t it?


He doesn’t so much as pivot as spin 360 degrees


I just saw one of these apologists on CNN explaining how “what you saw and heard was not what you saw and heard.” He literally began by saying, “Anyone can take a few sentences out of a great speech like Mr. Trump gave and make it seem negative.” I laughed, couldn’t take much more, and turned the set off and came out to our stables where the horseshit wasn’t nearly as foul smelling.


“At the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will get over 95 percent of the African-American vote. I promise you.”

Of all the implausible predictions Trump has made, this may well be the least plausible yet. Slightly more plausible than gravity reversing itself, quite a bit less plausible than flying pigs.


Obviously a silly notion that AA would be better off under a Trump presidency than a Clinton presidency, but the facts may give pause in making a decision:

Unemployment. The average Black unemployment under President Bush was 10 percent. The average under President Obama after six years is 14 percent. Black unemployment, “has always been double” [that of Whites] but it hasn’t always been 14 percent. The administration was silent when Black unemployment hit 16 percent – a 27-year high – in late 2011.

Poverty. The percentage of Blacks in poverty in 2009 was 25 percent; it is now 27 percent. The issue of poverty is rarely mentioned by the president or any members of his cabinet. Currently, more than 45 million people – 1 in 7 Americans – live below the poverty line.

The Black/White Wealth Gap. The wealth gap between Blacks and Whites in America is at a 24-year high. A December study by PEW Research Center revealed the average White household is worth $141,900, and the average Black household is worth $11,000. From 2010 to 2013, the median income for Black households plunged 9 percent.

Income inequality. “Between 2009 and 2012 the top one percent of Americans enjoyed 95 percent of all income gains, according to research from U.C. Berkeley,” reported The Atlantic. It was the worst since 1928. As income inequality has widened during President Obama’s time in office, the president has endorsed tax policy that has widened inequality, such as the Bush Tax cuts.

Education: The high school dropout rate has improved during the Obama administration. However, currently 42 percent of Black children attend high poverty schools, compared to only 6 percent of White students. The Department of Education’s change to Parent PLUS loans requirements cost HBCU’s more than $150 million and interrupted the educations of 28,000-plus HBCU students.

SBA Loans. In March 2014, the Wall Street Journal reported that only 1.7 percent of $23 billion in SBA loans went to Black-owned businesses in 2013, the lowest loan of SBA lending to Black businesses on record. During the Bush presidency, the percentage of SBA loans to Black businesses was 8 percent – more than four times the Obama rate.

President Obama continued Bush’s economic policy by deciding not to allow the Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 and agreeing to make them permanent in 2013. While he did this Black civil rights leaders said nothing. Soon after, in the president’s budget, there were cuts to community block grants and a budget increase for the Federal Bureau of Prisons. President Obama’s support of the Bush tax cuts are support for “trickle down” economics — that is, a tax break for the top 1 percent. Billionaire Warren Buffett spoke against the Bush tax cuts. There would have been $4 trillion in additional revenue had the president simply let the Bush tax cuts expire.

Trump sounded like a drug dealer trying to get someone hooked on meth. “What do you have to lose? Give it a try. I’m going to make your life feel so special.”

“Why sure, rich man with a bad CombOver and Russian Mafia friends, this is what I’ve been waiting to hear all my life.” Not hardly.

That’s not the kind of cartoon image that impresses anyone except maybe Sarah Palin. Bill Cosby used it on a lot of unsuspecting women victims. But everyone is wise to con man Donald Trump by now.

This stupid Breitbart ploy might actually make even more people suspect Trump’s motives…both black voters and white Independents.