Discussion: Trump Thrills SC Crowd with Tall Tale of Horrific War Crime

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Snopes.com rates it as an unsubstantiated “legend.”

I.e., a wing nut factoid.

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Technically Trump is an unsubstantiated legend too…

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I’m not sure I want to have the kind of country that embraces Trump’s acceptance of torture.

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There went the Jewish vote.

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Wait. Have you read about that war? This is now we’re going to do things now? Really, if you don’t know about US war crimes in the Philippines, please google. Just an amazingly horrible thing to bring up.

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gimme a min

evidently the f— albuterol wore off… shit

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“Trump Thrills SC Crowd with Tall Tale of Horrific War Crime.”

If South Carolina Republicans liked that one, just wait until he tells them the one about the Einsatzgruppen.

They’ll cheer themselves hoarse.

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If you dipped a bullet in pig’s blood and then fired it, the blood would burn off nearly instantaneously. You would think that all the ammosexuals attending a tRump rally would understand that, wouldn’t you?

Then again, when the Torture Cheerleader-in-Chief is on a roll, facts are the absolute least of their concerns.

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I know they were Muslim, but I still don’t understand why bullets dipped in pigs blood would be more effective than, you know, undipped bullets…as long as the aim is good.

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A vote for trump is a vote against America and everything America stands for. I can’t say it any plainer than that.

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To a Muslim pigs are unclean. In Trump’s dim brain that matters.

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So I guess all we need is 50 rounds of pigblood-coated ammunition and a little “minimal, minimal. minimal torture,” and we should be able to wrap up this pesky ISIS thing by the first weekend after Trump’s inauguration. Which is handy, because the next weekend the Mexicans are coming to build the wall.

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Legends, myths, and outright lies are the stuff that the GOP is made of. No reason to think this is particularly abnormal. For tRump, it’s just another day at the office. I can’t wait for the moment when we can all gather, turn our faces the appropriate direction, and in unison yell “You’re Fired!”

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I am absolutely sure I don’t want to have the kind of America Trump stands for.

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I’m sure I don’t!

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The story about Gen. John Pershing’s efforts to quell the Moro Rebellion around 1911 has been widely discredited. Snopes.com rates it as an unsubstantiated “legend.”

But Trump brought it up during a rally in North Charleston the night before the South Carolina primary: “He took fifty bullets, and he dipped them in pig’s blood. And he had his men load his rifles and he lined up the fifty people, and they shot 49 of those people. And the fiftieth person he said ‘You go back to your people and you tell them what happened.’ And for 25 years there wasn’t a problem, okay?”

Let’s get to it…

Seeing how this is about a guy who made general of the army…here goes…

Pershing enacted the following reforms during his tenure as governor:

In order to extend rule of law into the interior, Pershing stationed the Philippine Scouts in small detachments throughout the interior. This reduced crime and promoted agriculture and trade, at the cost of reduced military efficiency and troop training. The benefits of this reform outweighed the costs.

The legal system was streamlined. Previously, trials had started with at the Court of First Instance, which convened every 6 months, and appeals to the Supreme Court in Manila often took more than one year. Pershing expanded the jurisdiction of the local ward courts, which were presided over by the district governors and secretaries, to include most civil cases and all criminal cases except for capital offenses.
The Court of First Instance became the court of last resort. This reform was popular with the Moros, since it was quick, simple, and resembled their traditional unification of executive and judicial powers.

Pershing promised to donate government land for purposes of building Muslim houses of worship.

Pershing recognized the practice of sacopy – indentured servitude in exchange for support and protection – as legitimate, but reaffirmed the government’s opposition to involuntary slavery.

Labor contract law reform of 1912. Defaults on contracts by workers or employers were no longer punishable unless there was intent to defraud or injure. Moros, unused to Western notions of work, were prone to absenteeism, which could lead to breach of contract suits.

The economy of Moro Province continued to expand under Pershing. The three most important exports – hemp, copra, and lumber – increased 163% during his first three years, and Moros began to make bank deposits for the first time in their history.

The Moro Exchange system was retained and was supplemented by Industrial Trading Stations. These stations operated in the interior, where merchants seldom went, and bought any non-perishable goods the Moros wished to sell. The stations also sold goods to the Moros at fair prices, preventing price gouging during famines

As for the pigs and blah and blah

However, this period also demonstrated the success of new aggressive American tactics. According to Rear Admiral D.P. Mannix, who fought the Moros as a young lieutenant from 1907–1908, the Americans exploited Muslim taboos by wrapping dead Moros in pig’s skin and “stuffing [their] mouth[s] with pork”, thereby deterring the Moros from continuing with their suicide attacks

Whether that was true has yet to be determined…

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Similarly, I’ve been unable to find any evidence corroborating the more general claim that Muslims believe that “eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be instantly barred from paradise and doomed to hell.” It is true that Islamic dietary restrictions, like those of Judaism, forbid the eating or handling of pork because pigs are considered unclean. But according to Raeed Tayeh of the American Muslim Association in North America, the notion that a Muslim would be denied entrance to heaven for touching a pig is "ridiculous." A statement from the Anti-Defamation League characterizes the claim as an “offensive caricature of Muslim beliefs.”

In June 2003 I consulted Dr. Frank E. Vandiver, professor of history at Texas A&M University and author of Black Jack: The Life and Times of John J. Pershing, and asked if there’s any truth to the above. He replied via email that in his opinion the story is apocryphal.

“I never found any indication that it was true in extensive research on his Moro experiences,” Vandiver wrote. "This kind of thing would have run completely against his character."

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It was only a matter of time. He’s on a roll having just insulted Catholics and had a fight with the Pope so why not insult Muslims and Jews while he’s at it?

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Trump was unimpressed with waterboarding, a banned interrogation tactic that he has pledged to bring back against suspected terrorists, and supplement with far worse forms of abuse. “Is it torture or not? It’s so borderline,” he said. “It’s like minimal, minimal, minimal torture.” (from the linked article at MSNBC).

I, for one, would have no problem if that draft-dodging nutjob gets it’s-so-borderline waterboarded.

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Trumpley will do anything to ensure the 20% +/- 5% vote. Including suicide. Pro-fucking-ceed.

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