Discussion: Trump Offers Retired General Michael Flynn National Security Adviser Role

Smooth move, U.S. and A. Youā€™ve reDubyafied your country at best. Remember how awesome that was the first time? Evidently not, you stupid fucks. God help us all, as if we deserved it. Weā€™re getting what we want, like Mencken said, good and hard.

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"General Flynn ā€¦has said that Shariah, or Islamic law, is spreading in the United States (it is not). His dubious assertions are so common that when he ran the Defense Intelligence Agency, subordinates came up with a name for the phenomenon: They called them ā€˜Flynn facts.ā€™ā€

ā€˜Post-truthā€™ named 2016 word of the year by Oxford Dictionaries
https://www.washingtonpost.comā€¦

It is time for for everyone to stop being cute, trying to create the next meme. We have a perfectly good word in our language, ā€œlies.ā€

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I support not using pointless new words, but we really do have something new going on here. People today can believe any kind of crazy thing they want and find verification for it that looks and feels exactly like the verification for things you found back when we mostly agreed upon a common set of facts. And very often you can trace the misinformation to its source and never find anyone who consciously attempted to deceive anyone by spreading it. So nobody is lying in the dictionary sense. And nobody can be forced to admit they canā€™t back up what they say. You can live comfortably in whatever little belief-bubble you care to.

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Itā€™s Bill Maherā€™s ā€œZombie Liesā€ and ā€œLies are the New Truthā€ all over again.

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There was some speculation that Trumpā€™s right-wing bluster was an act, that really he might be merely without any firmly held beliefs, and that he just says what he think ā€œsellsā€. That may be true; but the downside of that appears to be that since he has no firmly held beliefs, he can happily hire extremist right-wing nut jobs apparently based on their loyalty to him, without any thoughts as to the possible outcomes.

That, or the formerly pro-choice and only tepid supporter of the Iraq War really has developed a set of firmly held beliefs, and they are ugly as hell. Either way, weā€™re screwed.

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the entire spook apparatusā€¦in this country can not so easily be controlled by appointments.
presidents usually upset THEIR apple carts at their own peril.

really?
i would have thought the exact oppositeā€¦and said soā€¦that ANYONE thinking a man like trumpā€¦disdainful of knowledge and with a clear history of how he would actā€¦was not serious when he spokeā€¦was (politely) NOT paying attention!

you can thank fox news for what you are describing.

The Trump path to impeachment just doubled on the probability scale.

Knee jerk National Security Adviser with some established and warped and pretty inaccurate values towards Muslims and several countriesā€¦working for a knee jerk President. This will get the US into some really bad situationsā€¦not a question of IF but a question of when.

This is worse than Reagan and Oliver Northā€¦and we now know Reagan should have been impeached for those high crimes.

Will this be the Republicanā€™s ticket to getting Mike Pence in the White House?..could beā€¦the Republican est. does not want Trump.

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Interesting that the Times added the ā€œit is notā€. They must finally be feeling guilty over their part in the coup.

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Christ almighty, what a shit-show this is shaping up to be. :frowning:

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Well, I took him at his word, but thereā€™s always some retreat from campaign rhetoric, and given Trumpā€™s history of lying, one could fantasize that heā€™d govern more from the center.

i think it is fair to say that trump has already lost mccain and his side kick lindsey(?)ā€¦if he losses/has lost a few more behind the scenesā€¦trump will self implode.

Simply approving this man would encourage every jihadist alive and impede our ability to work with Muslim countries to stop them. And any terrorist incident that did occur could result in ā€œemergencyā€ security measures that could ratchet us toward an authoritarian government we wonā€™t recognize. It already happened with far more rational Presidents.

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You know, I thought Baldwin did a great job imitating Trump. However, this is the guy who I think understood Trump better:

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Flynn said this summer that Islam is a political ideology disguised as a religion
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Umm no, General. You should read the Qur-an (how the name is spelled on the cover of my copy). You would see that Islam is indeed a religion. All religions get mixed up in politics, even the movement Jesus led got the powers that were at the time all in an uproar.
This choice of Flynn is a poor one, trumpā€¦but then itā€™s because Obama fired him isnā€™t it?

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Delusion is great politics, not so good for survival.

Isnā€™t his advisor/son a conspiracy nut as well?

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If youā€™re in the mood for blatantly specious contortions in service of preconceived ideology, try this al jazeera interview. Long but generously rewarding.