Discussion: Trump-Hyped Foxconn Pivots Away From Blue-Collar Manufacturing

You are entirely correct. We failed miserably as a nation, on a level rating criminal were our actions being defined by an outside observer. We’ve inflicted damage to every aspect of our nation’s standing in what we did. We threw paint on a Monet. We set fire to an ancient redwood. There’s no explaining it, or excusing it. Actions have consequences, and whatever Trump’s failings, whatever horrors he visits upon us, we asked for and deserve.

Toute nation a le gouvernement qu’elle mérite.

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Which will be filled by qualified engineers and researchers from India and China.

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Think about all the people who were forced to sell their homes and/or farms for this boondoggle.

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Beat me to it. Those types of jobs are not readily filled by workers in a rural setting. They will have to recruit from India and China.

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Foxconn doesn’t create jobs, any more than couch potatoes create televisions. They are the buyer in a two-way transaction. Foxconn creates the TV’s! Just not in Wisconsin, apparently.

Jobs are the only transactions in economics where the buyer is said to be the creator. Logical imprecision leads to backwards thinking, which has everyone looking in vain to corporations and rich people as the exalted ones, who we must beseech with tax cuts to grant us the favor of employment. This is exactly the wrong way to look at things!

People create their own jobs. It took me 16 years of growing up and general education to learn the basics and get some ideas what I can do that others will buy. Then another 5 years of specialized education to gamble on my early choices. 4 years of experience to discover the outcome wasn’t what I’d envisioned, 3 more years of specialized education to do something else, then 13 more years of experience in Arizona before selling myself to my current employer. When I sell myself to them next week, I have going on 7 years experience in my current role, to add to the deal. And we’re giving one another a good deal. Couldn’t be happier.

So when I read about someone-or-other “creating jobs,” it sounds like shorthand for a suggestion we should all kiss their ass and pray they return the favor. We shouldn’t. Our ass kissing should be specific, personal, and the bare minimum to make the sale.

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The next generation of displays are OLED and QLED, not LCD. Thinner, less power consumption, doesn’t require backlighting, can be printed on a variety of substrates.
Is Foxconn doing that?

If anyone hasn’t yet read Strangers in Their Own Land, I really can’t recommend it strongly enough.

Perhaps the most heartbreaking story in this entire book of (well told) sad stories is a story very much like this one in which a town willingly gives away nearly all its accumulated wealth in the great excitement of being “put on the map” by a chemical company that’s going to invest millions upgrading the streets and town, bringing new jobs and fine educational opportunities in its wake. Guess what happened instead.

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13,000 jobs for educated people is great. Now that Scott Walker has gutted the UWisc system, I guess they will have to be people moving in from out of town gentrifying the locals out of their houses, but hey that’s progress for you…

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Nicely done.

One note: the state in this instance wasn’t conned. It was run by the GOP. Complicit.

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And with a name like Foxconn, no surprise and the jokes just write themselves!

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This should not come as a surprise. Shirley isn’t. Now the question is how much did Scotty Walker put in his bank accounts before he left courtesy of the businessmen involved?

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Two good things here. No, three.

  1. Lake Michigan’s waters are somewhat safer from industrial pollution.
  2. We will not be treated to FoxConn worker dormitories and other 19th century labor practices.
  3. Walker and Trump are shown for the greedy, weak, pandering fools they are.
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Don’t lump us all together. While I did not vote tRump by any measure, I can suffer as readily as those who did. Unfortunately we have no way of sifting out the chaf.

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Was reading a review on it and someone suggested also reading The Lottery by Shirley Jackson which is on line and fairly short.

Starngers in their own land can be had pretty cheap
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/p/strangers-in-their-own-land-arlie-russell-hochschild/1124580624/2661168218959?st=PLA&sid=BNB_New+Marketplace+Shopping+Textbooks&sourceId=PLAGoNA&dpid=tdtve346c&2sid=Google_c&gclid=CjwKCAiAs8XiBRAGEiwAFyQ-epfHANG0uuzxt1q7ncnwjE5hlWEmlzz0sub0pVDQE8PTcZ29dp32MBoCANoQAvD_BwE

This was always in the cards. Wisconsin does not want manufacturing in the SE part of the state, including Milwaukee. It was manufacturing which brought black people to Wisconsin and they don’t want more. I don’t have the numbers but am willing to bet that compared to all other Rust Belts states that Wisconsin has added fewer manufacturing jobs on a percentage basis than the others.

Few remember that Wisconsin had a car building industry. Rambler, Nash, AMC, Chrysler assembled autos their from 1902 to 1987 in Kenosha. The factories continued to make auto engines until 2010. This is the area of the Foxcon plant. While this article says blue collar jobs were promised this is essentially a lie. They were talking about high tech jobs. Not dirty jobs where icky black people work.

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While much of the tax breaks are based upon fulfilling the jobs promised, many in the area have seen displacement, the environment bulldozed over and new roads built with taxpayer money, while bridges are literally crumbling across the state. What I fear will remain is akin to a huge empty big box store or shopping mall. Such a waste. More could have done to promote locally owned businesses. But I’m sure the kickbacks were not as sweet. Walker dropped light rail within his first year and the real jobs that would have created as well as creating a better corridor between Madison and Milwaukee. If anyone actually believed that an asian company would hire 30,000 workes for assembly jobs in Wisconsin, let alone anywhere in the US, well, they obviously also believed the rest of the Walker/tRump lies.

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I am and I am. It will take years to clean up Walker’s shit-trail. Even worse, the inevitable GOP-induced collapse will be blamed on Evers.

@steviedee111

As a group they voted for Trump. The rest of us should just enjoy watching them getting scammed and wallowing in their disillusionment. Eff all of them, and their employment prospects. Here’s hoping they become impoverished, starve, and die a miserable death.

0/10. Peddle your trolling elsewhere. Too cold to deal with this.

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And the present jobs are now paying much less on average. Amazon, Uline, Ikea, Walmart, etc. The Racine/Kenosha areas are virtual wastelands of their former selves.

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Probably also available from a local library.

I seem to recall reading The Lottery in grade school. It never made a deep impression on me because it’s so blatant. Real-world evil is usually far more subtle.

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