Discussion: To Speed Up Case, AGs Drop Trump Personally From Emoluments Case

I expect that avant-garde legal theorist and performance artist Rudy Giuliani will soon proclaim this a ā€œtotal vindicationā€ for his client.

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Once again Donald Trump, the man, gets a pass. This time for the sake of expediency? I guess this is how one earns a nickname like ā€œTeflon Donā€. Once again, the benefits of wealth and station make themselves apparent. Would any average citizen ever get so much leniency and consideration?

It does explain why it seemed like the DOJ had been ā€œacting on Trump’s behalfā€. It hasn’t. It’s defending the office, not the man.

OK. Whatever. After the wholesale dismissal of the ā€œseriousā€ ethics complaints against Kavanaugh, and now this on top of everything else, I’m beyond disgusted, and becoming irreparably jaded about it all.

22 Months. We have 22 months to stop the bleeding and maybe put an end to all the carnage… until then I think it may be necessary to find happiness elsewhere. Politics just isn’t fun anymore.

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Sadly, the question answers itself. My fear is that the end game becomes a Grand Bargain in which Trump and his co-conspiring criminal family all walk in exchange for his resignation, a scenario he’ll promptly attempt to monetize.

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It’s a clever legal move, since any emoluments clause violation claim necessarily needs to show Trump took money as ā€œpresidentā€ from foreign entities and special interests. On this claim, the State AGs have a slam dunk case.

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Trump can’t evade state law proceedings and ambitious AGs in New York, Illinois, California, and Maryland have no reason to stop their cases.

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Il Giuliani will, however, as usual, prove to make unsound performances choices.

For example, whereas he could elect to convey his perspective through interpretive dance, even mime, or attempt something truly ground- breaking with New Media, say with solid state qualities in exotic materials or exploiting some of the innumerable opportunities still unexploited in motion or even quantum physics, we should instead expect him to stick within his ā€˜sweet spot’ of sub-textual illiterate gaffsnabble, audaciously-put assertions that patently rely on the viewer having an infantile attention span and still easily distracted by hurled equine excrement.

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That’s a concept I think Chris Matthews trotted out not long ago. Plead out and resign, in order to protect himself and his family from further legal action. I’m not actually convinced Trump would hang himself out to dry just for his kids. But if he gets to walk, sure. Maybe.

And who knew teflon was made of equal parts dishonesty, Trump grease and snake oil?

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The ā€œviewerā€ you’re describing here is his client, right?

PS: extra points for the highly evocative non-word ā€œgaffsnabbleā€. I’d love to appropriate that one!

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I totally appreciate (and cling to!) those efforts on a rational level, but until I see a Trump wearing orange, I can’t help but fear the worst. There are laws, and there are ā€œthe benefits of wealth and station,ā€ as @tribalogical puts it. I’m rooting hard for the laws, but to use an old term, I’ve seen things.

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He wears orange every day. I want to see him in stripes, maybe with a decorative ball and chain.

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Someone needs to grow the balls to actually uphold the concept that the president is not above the law and prosecute this fucker for his crimes!

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As a government official, the official capacity claim is treated as a lawsuit against the government that Trump represents[.]

The official capacity claim is a government official?

Is there a site listing all the civil and criminal cases against the Trump Crime Family?

Yeah, I’m not clear why he was named in his personal capacity in the first place. Unless they were illegal payments like money laundering (which may be happening, but is a separate case from emoluments), it’s strictly an issue of Trump receiving payments as President.

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Oh that was good. ā€œsub-textual illiterate gaffsnabbleā€

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I don’t know the finer points, but if they go after his business or Trump Org or Trump Foundation or Hotel Chains…Trump can’t jump up and start yelling about being president or confidentiality or not indicting a president. Instead it will be his instruments they go after and all of Trumps delaying and obfuscation and being able to claim personal/presidential privilege evaporates. The AGs still get him (his assets), but by dropping him personally it probably removes most of the ridiculous roadblocks that Trump throws up.

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So this (eternally uncaptioned) pic must be ā€œGeneric State Attorney Generalā€

He doesn’t get a walk. It’ a legal definition. A leader of an organization (POTUS, CEO…) can be sued in the capacity as leader and sued personally as an individual. By removing the personal individual aspect of it, a lot of legal gas-lighting and pointless debate gets squashed. The core accusation is that the POTUS grifted while on duty. That’s what the AG’s claim and now have a clear path to go to. DJT can now no longer hide behind his personal excuses for non-cooperation (IRS tax audit…etc) as this is a suit againt the Office of the President and not DJT personally.

It’s a smart move to counter CIC Bluster’s playbook…

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Yeah, they’re out for blood. They don’t want a resignation, they want him in jail

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