As much as all the sex banter strikes me as juvey, I have heard him ask some astute and probing (no, not that kind of probing) questions. And my wife, feminist that she is, found him entertaining, back before he went Sirius.
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Howard, just go away.
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I’ve always thought it was a very sorry thing that Howard Stern allows so much infantile potty-humor garbage on his shows. His social commentary is often dead-on; you just have to weed through all the garbage to get to it. For me, there’s so much garbage that I can’t spare the time to listen for the good stuff. Still, I think Stern is probably a very genuine person despite it all, and he understand his business.
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It’s interesting to look at how people talk about sexuality. But what Stern is saying here is a simple, fairly uncomplicated truth—locker room talk, which I guess means talk that’s more vulgar and sexually oriented than public, mixed-company talk—does not repeat not normalize sexual assault. You don’t hear guys saying what Trump said in any setting whatsoever. His campaign tried to blur that line, but I think Stern is pretty much the ultimate authority on vulgar talk and he’s saying no. There’s simply not a gray area here by any standard.
So. Anybody up for going over and reading Donald’s ethics reform plan for Washington?
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Things that remain taboo and secretive and politely off-limits remain not well understood and therefore fester. It’s probably going to get me flamed, but I’d say people like Stern or Carlin or Heffner or even Flynt have done us great services in some ways as a society. They put things on the table that wouldn’t otherwise be on the table, raising issues and forcing discussion that allows those things to be better understood, as hard to address as some of them might be. I’d dare say they’re more responsible for progress on the issues they aired and addressed than the people who fought desperately to keep them taboo and in the dark. That’s precisely what Jefferson would tell us the First Amendment was intended to do.
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All I saw was the pic. For a moment I thought they had found Bob Dylan. Dylan and Stern look like identical twins.
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It’s interesting that although there’s more vulgarity rampant today than in generations before, we’re also far less tolerant of sexual harassment and sexual assault. I’m not sure if there’s a cause and effect relationship but it certainly hasn’t impeded progress, you can point right to it.
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I think it’s a factor…certainly not the only reason…but a factor. How do you talk about sexual assault if you’ve been acculturated to be insanely uncomfortable talking about normal sex in the first place? Some barriers need breaking.
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Howie and others like hime are like broadcast versions of a Supermarket Tabloid newspaper. My mother, when she was alive, would occasionally buy and read the National Enquiror or The Globe so she could read it and mutter Tsk, Tsk; ooh, that’s terrible, how could anyone say/do/think that; ooh, such language. I think it entertained her, but more importantly, made her feel ethically and morally superior. I think Stern provides the same sort of blend of vicarious entertainment, self congratulations and voyeurism.
I on the other hand prefer TPM
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In other words, Stern was just pushing his buttons. Example #1000 how easy he’s manipulated.
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I’m not a Stern listener, and I didn’t know that he had endorsed Clinton.
It says a lot that Trump grosses Howard Stern out.
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I wouldn’t sit down for a beer with him; I’d throw it in his face, though.
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Well put, matt. And his opinion will have weight with some people in a way that some others may not.
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And you thought Stern coining Trump as “Donald the Douche Bag” was by accident?
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It’s not so much smut, it’s the sneering, skeevy tone of Stern and his guests. There are no easy answers. I’m just saying Stern’s brand of “entertainment” has been a contributing factor to the mindset of Trump’s despicables. And whatever the cause, I don’t think the mindset is going away anytime soon. It’ll probably take more than a generation.
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A fellow vulgarian would know.
We, as a society shouldn’t have to be schooled, get our schooling, from the darker side in order to understand.
The shock jock thing is a deliberate path into crude and vulgar behavior. Those that already possess that tendency just take the next step. Enter Donald Trump, freelance pig and fellow vulgarian.
Stern is different from Trump by mere degrees but far from opposite or separate. Stern has the distinction of being Captain Courageous and leading the piggies to the edge of the pen, then backing away and saying, I’m not going there with them-I only lead so far. He opens the barn doors and lets the piggies run wild but claims no responsibility.
That’s convenient if not wholly horseshit.
I give him 4 1/2 Trump-stains. This PSA saves him from the score of a perfect 5.
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When you’ve lost Walter Cronkite Howard Stern you’ve lost America.
I wonder when Andrew Dice Clay will pop up to denounce Drumpf’s debauchery?
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I give Stern some credit for faithfulness to his wife.
[quote]“Donald asked me during the commercials — and I don’t think you mind me saying it — he says to me, 'so you don’t get it on with anybody?,” Stern says. "I said ‘I’m really faithful to my wife’ and he goes ‘you’re kidding? Really? What’s that all about?’
“I can say to Howard’s wife, that’s true,” Trump responds. “He did say that to me. It’s great.”
Trump adds, “I was actually faithful to my wife for many years, until I realized the marriage wasn’t gonna work.”[/quote]
This is a pretty good roundup of a lot of the disgusting things Trump has espoused through the years on Stern’s show.
Too funny – even Howard Stern and the Kardashians find Trump crass and tacky. Think about that for a second. I’m not sure what’s left at this point – maybe Charles Manson complaining that Trump has gone too far?
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Yep. Stern is part of the problem. He gleefully encourages misogyny and then pretends to be offended when Trump takes it a step further.
You fool no one, you disgusting pervert.
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