Discussion: State Rep. Wants Tenn. Constitution To Say That 'Our Liberties' Come From God

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Let us follow a foreign law, enshrine it in our Constitution, and spit on the graves of the Founders of this Nationā€¦but donā€™tcha dare call us unpatrioticā€“the GOP in a nutshell.

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Isnā€™t that similar to the Sharia law they get all bonkers about?

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Canā€™t reasonable people agree to disagree? I might suggest I could accept your proposal if you could PROVE IT. However, I would rather club you over the head with a little principle titled ā€˜separation of church and stateā€™. My liberty to be free of YOU and your Gawd stems from the ballot and the National Defense System. I got no obligation to honor your religious precepts. You and your religious precepts can go to YOUR Hell. Is there really a need to assert where our liberties originate? If they truly came from God, then no army could take them away, and there would be no need to codify them in a Constitution. I would argue that is prima facie evidence that they explicitly come from the Constitution, and not Your Gawd. BTW, I havenā€™t got a clue as to what you mean by the term ā€˜Godā€™. I bet you cannot even define the term.

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Well VanHuss (good name for a prepper) only mentions G-d, not His son, who had strong views about the separation of Church and State.

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Eerily, his Derpship looks to be featured in front of a Japanese WWII internment facility.

Maybe something like that is whatā€™s in store for ā€œnon-believersā€

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Which god? There are so manyā€¦

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Which God is that? And could we please have the evidence that makes you think so?

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Why do these people even run for office? They seem to have a real issue with holding the Constitution as the Supreme Law of the land, and nothing else. Iā€™m not saying they canā€™t believe that as far as their personal lives go, but why take a job thatā€™s going to run in direct opposition to your beliefs?

I and some others meet up regular with Gā€¦ at the local coffee drinkporium.

Gā€¦'s mentioned this dude; canā€™t remember which day exactly. but recent. Gā€¦ called him a ā€œreal pizzle stickā€, and said Heā€™d be moving in His usual mysterious ways to have TDS writing staff do up a bit on ā€œthe Tennessee Dudā€ (coulda been ā€œPudā€; gets pretty noisy at the Brokedown Cafe Mountain). Heā€™s hoping for cowboy-themed; Gā€¦'s a big fan of dude ranches and John Ford flicks.

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What a flaming moron.

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Definitely someplace in the inter-mountain West. Eastern California or maybe Nevada. I used to work in this region of the world; a real kind of ā€œEdenā€ for survivalists and other Bat-shit, anti-social crazies who like to hang out in abandoned mining camps.

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Yessir, our liberties come from God. However, the consequences for misjudging them comes from dumbass.

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This guy sounds like one of those right-wing ā€œnatural lawā€ fetishists; i.e. such laws are immanent in nature and can be ā€œdiscoveredā€ or ā€œfoundā€ but not ā€œcreatedā€ by such things as a bill of rights [-Wikepedia].

Speaking of the ā€œblack cat analogyā€ā€¦

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Jesus answered, ā€œMy kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would have been fighting, that I might not be delivered over to the Jews. But my kingdom is not from the world.ā€ John 18:36

It would be nice if the christianist element in the GOTP would stop using God for their political purposes. Hitler did the same by stating ā€œGott Mit Unsā€.

I donā€™t think that God is a Tea Party member. I also donā€™t think he is a Democrat.
If we have free will, then God does not involve himself in our affairs.

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All to be able to use religion as a cudgel against others.
Canā€™t see any other need to codify it.

Religion is for those who require it.
Just wish theyā€™d leave the rest of us out of it.

jw1

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Sadā€¦and Tennessee too, sad and laughable that someone can be elected to their legislature and have so little knowledge and understanding of American and Tennessee history. With ā€œGod, our Creator and Saviorā€ VanHuss, additionally and most worrisome for his immortal soul, seems to be denying the personhood of Jesus and the miracle of the unity of three beings within the Trinity, if memory servesā€¦

Once, while driving from the West Coast to Minnesota, taking an ill-advised short-cut, I looked down at the dash and realized that I was OUT of fuel. My options (and this was in the days before cell-phones) were (a) to stop in a town which looked exactly like the setting you describe (b) keep driving and pray.

I chose (b), knowing that the Interstate (with more varied customers looking for fuel) was about 30 miles off. I made it and never for a minute doubted the wisdom of my actions.

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You think God has time to pick favorites? I mean, after making it possible for an infinite number of angels to spin for all eternity in infinity, and turning an uncountable number of galaxies on their axis, youā€™d think there might be a little attention left over to pay to the mundane and humdrum goings on of political movements, and decide which one the genderless so and so actually prefers. I donā€™t think I would feel much devotion towards a God that played favorites and had biases; that would remind me too much of my 7th grade teacher, Mrs. Boyette, who loved the girls, and hated the boys. She was arbitrary as hell. Is arbitrariness a Divine attribute?

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Which god? There are so many...

Monotheism is a gift from the gods.

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