Discussion: <span class="s1">Sanders Takes The Lead In National Poll

You mean he isn’t a Jewish Atheist? You think our shitty media won’t decide to flip and ridicule Bernie the way they flayed Al Gore? I’m in my 50s and know the deep ignorance that exists in America and after the last seven years, so should you. I’m just my own polling of one, so don’t draw big memes from my strident opinions. Of course I think I’m right, that’s the nature of a one-person poll.

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Cruz or Trump ain´t Nixon, and Sanders ain´t McGovern.

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Yes, you’re reading that correctly. That’s actually a pretty interesting question, as I’ve heard that it can be a better indicator of who’s going to win than asking people who they’re going to vote for.
Of course, it has to be like the day before the election for it to work that way. At this point I’d put very little stock in it, except that as a novelty item we can look back upon in the future when assembling a storyline of how this election process unfolded.

Really? I can easily see Bernie taking at least 5 of the 12 super Tuesday states with Tennessee being a push. I wouldn’t exactly call that a ‘hard road’. It will be as difficult as the upward climb has been so far, a long slog till March 1st. But definitely doable.

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For the record… Check it out . . .

The party’s primaries sub-samples per their party affiliations are used. So the actual MoE for each party’s sample is nearly +/-5%

Also check the numbers boxed in red for “Other” “None of the Above” and “Don’t Know”

Those total up to 9% of unknown.

You do the math. Oh and check the Q-9 “Who do you think will be President in 2016?”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2016/02/18/fox-news-poll-national-presidential-race-february-18-2016/

~OGD~

Yes, thank you, I agree. But the part I didn’t get was “sounds like…” Didn’t necessarily “sound like” that to me. That’'s all I’m really saying. To me it sounded sketchy, especially in that there is no mention of a similar test for Hillary. If true, that smells like someone constructing data to make a case against one candidate, not someone objectively collecting data to compare the candidates If it turns out otherwise, and it’s a legitimate poll, ,then like you I would love to see the data. So I don’t think we’re really disagreeing on anything other than our initial take based on the (lack of) information in that brief blurb here on TPM. Cheers.

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Let me add one technical note. The MoE = ±3% mentioned is based on the total sample (=1031 RVs), including Rs and Ds, but for each party’s primaries sub-samples per their party affiliations are used. So the actual MoE for each party’s sample is nearly ±5%. This is called a statistical tie.

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It wouldn’t be the first time this site turned activist anti-Clinton. They were among the first to smear Clinton in 2008 with the racist charges. I view this poll with a great deal of skepticism. FOX is the propaganda arm of the GOP. And it’s clear to me anyway that the easiest path for the GOP to name Scalia’s replacement starts with getting Bernie nominated. In fact, that’d be job #1 IMO if I were a GOP strategist.
Frankly, I think the Republican Party is dead if they can’t name Scalia’s replacement. I’m a Clinton supporter, but the only reason I’d ever be concerned is not necessarily because I like Clinton any better…it’s because I know what happens to Northeastern Liberals who proudly boast of turning the nation into a liberal utopia. They’ll be wearing Bernie’s pelt as a hat once they get him nominated. He’s the GOP wet dream.

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Thank you…

I’ll make an edit on that.

~OGD~

wow @ that. The link to the questions is not working for me now. But wow.

Well, we are cool then. I would just need to see the data. As for the “sounds like” part, what came to my mind when I read it was some experiments you are probably familiar with, i.e., how different framing of the same things (like survey questions) can impact people’s perceptions and reactions. Ideally you’d randomize people to different groups and expose them with the same stimulus in different ways and see the results are significantly different. And I wondered if something of that sort was done.

Hopefully, the email sender is able to share the details with us.

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Horseshiite.

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It’s the idealism, not the candidates.

And the easily manipulated perceptions. more so today than in 1972.

G’night folks!

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Cruz is the closest thing to Nixon in national politics since, well Nixon. And Bernie is the closest thing to McGovern in National politics since, well McGovern. So the comparison is compelling.

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Fox News poll.

Some here say po-tah-to.
I say prop-a-gand-a.

Izzit of such import as to argue the merits of a effing Fox News poll?
To what end? Showing that any morsel of sway is somehow interpretive?

I’m almost as ashamed of the importance of this poll’s results given weight–
by both TPM (clickbait)-- and posters whose opinions I normally see
as those I read as ‘go-to’ sources of knowledge.

Just back away from the Kool-Aid-bowl and take a breath.
After SC and NV-- and prior to Super Tuesday-- there will be plenty to dissect and disseminate.

But right now? Grinding your teeth over a Fox News poll?
Good Night and Good Luck.

jw1

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Stopped reading at Fox News poll.

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The Republican "establishment " is putting a lot of money on making sure sanders wins.
Makes me wonder just who is sending in these small donations mr. Sanders and his campaign are receiving ? And I am not saying Mr’ sanders has anything to do with it. But is he keeping quite too? Like the republican party did with the tea party who eventually is going to destroy them?

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I would take any poll by Fox with a rather large grain of salt, and even more so one that happens to be announced two days before a potentially pivotal caucus and which shows a lead no other poll is showing.

That being said, I’m not sure what your point about the 7% “don’t know” and 2% “other” or “none of the above.” “Don’t know” is usually another way of saying “undecided,” and to the extent that the other 2% are O’Malley voters or Biden fantasists or whatever, they too are, in effect, “undecided.” And those undecideds will split some way between Hillary, Bernie, and not voting.

By the way, it is not uncommon for undecided numbers to go up when one candidate is losing support, but those wavering voters haven’t completely decided to go for the other candidate. There was some of that before Iowa, where Hillary’s previously hefty lead started to fall even as Bernie’s numbers weren’t going up that much – voters were apparently changing from Hillary supporters to undecideds – then after a week or two many of them started showing up in Bernie’s column. Of course there’s no guarantee that happens every time…sometimes a candidate’s support softens, then hardens again when the wavering supporters “come home.”

Anyway, anything put out by Fox News is, in my opinion, pretty meaningless on its own. But the trend in virtually all of the national polling is in the same direction, Bernie’s direction. It has been moving in Bernie’s direction for the past couple of months, and it looks like especially over the last few weeks.

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That’s because of this question:

And which Republican presidential candidate do you think is the WORST role model for children today? Trump 49%

Fat ass is just mad because Fathead® won’t be selling any wall decals of him in the near (or far into the) future. I suspect WallMonkeys® probably won’t either.

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Bernie Fuckin McGovern.

Surely the party of Dukakis can’t be this stupid…right?

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