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I don’t think that this is Sanders wheelhouse. While he has appeal, it is not mass appeal and it’s kind of late to just start banging that drum.
In the end, Arizona is a blood red state that neither he or Hillary will win. He should focus on California which has a huge Latino population and is the crown jewel of electoral votes.
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Sanders has no time to think about electoral votes. If he does not find delegates then the electoral college does not matter to him.
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And almost vice versa. He has to win big states and win those big states big.
However you look at it, he is in quite the mathematical conundrum. Cali will go Clinton and real big I’ll bet.
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If there is an anti-Trump backlash of sufficient severity, several red states might be in play. Arizona might well send a Democratic Senator this year, and even the state itself is closer to purple than is widely appreciated.
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And Arizona is a closed primary-Democrats only.
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I have been to that border many times. I am so glad that one of our dem candidates went there, and talked some sense. It may not matter in the election… but the folks that live and work in Nogales deserve better from our govt… and they are not going to get anything from the republicans. Good for Bernie.
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Don’t forget that 30% of Arizona’s population is Hispanic. If they all came out to vote results would be different. Arizonans remember how insulting trump has been. As an Arizonan myself I would love to see trump lose the GOP side of the primary this Tuesday.
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Do you have any sort of stats on how many of that 30% actually vote and how many of them vote Democrat?
Personally, the Mexican community is confusing to me on their politics. I think they vote on predetermined biases and or for reasons other than what native born Americans do.
They surely can’t vote Republican because of anything that the Repubs do or because of Trump, Romnerd etc., etc.
Really? I’m one of those that doesn’t appreciate that because The Arizonans themselves always say otherwise.
Arizona is a western state and that to me says progressive, we used to party big at the river and in Phoenix. It must be all the retirees that keep it so crimson red?
Meaning that Sanders can’t get Repubs to flow in for him to disrupt/skew the vote?
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http://www.azsos.gov/elections/voting-election/election-information
According to the AZ Sec. of State we have a Presidential preference election Tuesday. That is party specific as you say. There will be a primary election August 1st in which independents can participate. The web site I offered as a link does not make it clear the difference between these two elections. We also have a special election on May 17th that concerns funding for K-12 education.
Whoa…that’s quite a statement. And you’re basing this on what?
I don’t claim to have my finger on the pulse of this community, but unless I’m mistaken this group tends to vote Democratic. It seems like the simplest explanation for that is that these voters are voting for the party and candidates who they believe will do the most good and the least harm for their families, their communities and the country. And whatever percentage is voting for the Republicans probably think the same thing…they just happen to be wrong.
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Not sure how to answer that comment. I know a Hispanic family who live west of Tucson on land that has been there’s since the 1600’s. Who is the more “native born”?There are many Hispanic families here in Tucson who’s ancestry goes waaaay back locally. Yet they are very much culturally Mexican. The bias for many Hispanics is to vote democratic. Some choose to vote for republicans. In our state legislature there are Hispanics in both parties.
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AZ will inevitably become democratic in a couple of decades. The aging white population that maintains our red status will die off and be replaced by younger Hispanic voters.
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Correct.
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A lifetime of experience, literally,
My best friends growing up last names were Diaz and Martinez. I was centrally located between bridges that led to the ghetto/barrio the black side of town and the white redneck end. I dated a Mexican girl for almost 7 years and we talked about marriage. She and her family are possibly my most true friends to this day.
Once I moved to Colorado I became acquaintance of, then good friends with a few Mexican families and I started businesses with them and was the only white person that ever truly hung out with them, not just employed them. They trust me and ask my opinion because they don’t really get the American way. Of course I’m talking immigrants not Chicanos.
If I say something and the Patron/leader of the group agrees then they all agree for the most part because of the trust they have in their leader and his in me.
Many of them just don’t have any deep understanding at all of our politics and are basically low information voters that if they vote, they vote on personality or hogwash that they see on TV.
Yes, as a whole they tend to vote Democratic but their reasons are not the same as ours. This is of course just the Leftflank poll but after 50 years roughly, I’m willing to go with it.
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I do not believe that the Hispanic population (of the 20 different types of Hispanic persons) is in any sense committed to Democratic Party issues. In NM, the governor, a Latina, is a Republican. In many places, the moral and cultural issues favored on the R side align with Hispanic issues, who are substantially catholic.
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Yes, there are definitely examples like yours but I guess I’m taking about much more current arrivals that only go back a generation or so.
The trend that you mention will put an end to much of the discussion once the Republicans are just completely boxed out by the demographics. Plus, despite the lip service, the Republicans aren’t doing anything for themselves regarding this inevitability. They’ll try to pull a flip flop someday but I doubt that the Mexicans will fall for that.
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I’m talking Mexicans. They are our direct neighbor and much more closely attuned to the American way than many Hispanics that come from much further away.
Truly as a rule, Latinos vote Democratic.
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Wow. LF. Basing your opinion of the political understanding of 10s of millions of Mexican Americans based on a few people you’ve known is kind of a text-book example of racial stereotyping.
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