Discussion: Sanders Visits US-Mexico Border, Talks Immigration Reform

Did you not read the disclaimer?
I know this is anecdotal but if you read everything I wrote you’d know that I do have a deep experience and that I said many of them not every last one. Plus you are attempting to minimalize my experience which is based on thousands I’d say, not just a few.
I grew up in SoCal and the Mexican community was a huge natural part of it.
I even dated Hawaiian/Mexican sisters, can you say that?

Am I supposed to deny what I have lived through and what it teaches me?

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The text book example of stereotyping is the guy who makes a judgment of a group of people never having interacted with any of them at all.

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I think the only chance Bernie has, at this point is if the Republicans pull a Swiftboat, and find 10 or 15 people Hillary went to college with who are willing to swear they saw her commit multiple murders or something.

I think the only chance Bernie has, at this point is if the Republicans pull a Swiftboat, and find 10 or 15 people Hillary went to college with who are willing to swear they saw her commit multiple murders or something.

-edit- Strange sentence structure and comma placement! I’m not so vain that I will fix this one though.

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IOW, he’s hanging on by a thread.
I know that Obama didn’t get out in '08 this early but Hillary also didn’t have the lead on him that she does Bernie now.

Plus, Obama was very inspirational and uplifting. Bernie does inspire some but he’s no Obama charisma wise.

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Obama won Iowa and led Hillary throughout the 2008 primaries.
Hillary hung on far, far longer than she should have.

Obama had no reason to get out because he never was behind in delegates.

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But it will then go for Hillary.

Makes my day.

Sorry about that, I got my names reversed.

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I know its status as a red state is discussed up-thread, but having seen some Sanders supporters pooh-poohing Clinton’s wins in the deep south as being states she won’t win in the general anyway, I think it’s rather ironic that he’s going so hard after Arizona.

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Wrong border Bernie. Vermonters are near the Canadian border. Time to go home.

Take it easy Burn. Speaking of red:

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There’s a lot of Mormons there, and they are mostly GOP and they vote. Then add the retirees, and descendents of farmers who settled the land, a few conservative catholics, and you got yourself a red state.

However, once upon a time Arizona was a progressive state. It needed large infrastructure projects in order to function on a basic level (irrigation for farming). Infrastructure meant being progressive back in the day. Once upon a time Mormons too were very progressive. Thanks to Mormons Tempe and Mesa were states that very early took to urban planning. You do not see ugly garish street signs for business there like you do in Tucson (on Speedway blvd). Streets were wide, with curbs, landscaped with irrigation, and signs were kept below 10ft elevation. Once upon a time Arizona was a very progressive state (despite Goldwater).

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Hispanics are leaning heavily Democratic in all polling. Like 75%+. Hispanics tend to have the lowest participation rates of any major demographic group in every election. But so far, we have seen a marked increase in that participation rate compared to 2008, which means…more Hispanics and voting at higher percentages.

Its fairly difficult to break out Mexicans from Hispanics in most exit polling data, however, though they do have different voting patterns than say, Cubans as a major example.

But Cubans aren’t the majority of Hispanics, even in Florida. And even younger Cubans are migrating to the Democratic party now.

I honestly would be a bit shocked if the Democratic ticket doesn’t pull down around 80% of the Hispanic vote this year, and higher wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

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My guess is you start to see Arizona purple this year. I am not sure we win it, but we make it closer, and I suspect McCain is going to have an actual real election on his hands for the general.

In fact, I suspect that Arizona will turn blue before Texas does. But not by much, Texas will be following right on your heels.

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With a population of about 4 million, Maricopa County is the big determinant. It has long had voter suppression and pretty stand-out county clerks in terms of classic suppression trickery. No doubt the Hispanic population will again try to vote, many will be denied, and most of us will remain vexed as to what the hell is going on in Maricopa…again.

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Davey,
I see there was an altercation at the trump rally here in Tucson yesterday (I was not in attendance). Looking at the blog article here on TPM it seems a black guy did the punching on the protester. There are very few black folks here in town (pop=less than 2%) and I would assume even fewer would be trump supporters. I’m thinking something more complex went down that is not apparent in the video on that article. I wish that it came with comments so I could address it directly…
Anyway, trump’s attitude and his very deliberate language is bringing this out in people. I say, unfortunately, that someone is gonna get seriously hurt eventually because of this man. Trump may be right. There could be riots but he will be the one causing them.
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Now to answer directly. I think it will take some more time to see AZ go purple-blue. Not enough young folk care to vote yet. And there are lots of retirees who feel threatened by the boogyman. We’ve been a seriously red state since 1969. I hope you are right. If AZ does elect a dem senator I’m all for it. But we also need to elect a whole passel of dem state people. 47 years is waaay too long for one party to hold sway.

It appears that the people were protesting Trump by wearing Klan hoods. That’s what most likely riled up the black guy.

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Took a look at who is running for the senate here in AZ. Looks like, according to wikipedia, the democrats aren’t bothering with a candidate (hangs head)

Found this in my inbox (for sale at Fab) this morning (offered with no comment):

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