In tribute to Michigan, who found an uneasy way of surprising everyone yesterday, both bourgeoise and the proletariat alike, while leaving a lot of really smart people with incredible schpilkes and heartburn…though mostly among the commentariat class…
This one’s for all of us:
It’s not a plus if not enough Dems realize that Clinton has to get through the primary in order to get to the general. If Sanders wins more states in the Midwest due to outright Clinton Hate and the delegates grudgingly go along with him, then he represents us in the Fall and I’m not sure enough people realize the full implication of what that would mean.
Bernie Sanders used to hang the Soviet Union flag in his office when he was mayor. The Republicans won’t need to create scary visions when there are presumably photos of Bernie smiling with the Soviet flag. If that isn’t enough, Sanders was such a deadbeat he used to steal electricity from his neighbors.
If Bernie Sanders somehow was able to win the nomination, his campaign would implode within a week once people actually spent a few minutes looking into his past. It would pretty much destroy the Democratic Party brand that someone with so many red flags could be handed the keys to the party with virtually no vetting at all.
Yeah, 'cuz that really worked out great for the Democratic party when Nader did it.
Bernie is doing exactly what many Democrats said Nader should have done if he wanted to run – run in the Democratic primary, but if failing to win the nomination, support the nominee (or at least not run against the nominee in the general). And now we have Democrats saying that he “should have run as an independent.” (Facepalm.)
Yeah. Hope springs eternal, and all…
Sorta funny,after yesterday,that he would base his argument on polls.
Oh, come on BD. Trump supporters, sure, want to ¨Make America Great Again¨ but Sanders supporters are more ¨The System is Rigged for the Wealthy and It Has to Stop.¨ You can argue that that´s unrealistic, or whatever, but it certainly is not waxing nostalgic for an America that never was.
It is facile, and you´d be wrong, to attribute her loses to some group hatred of HRC. Sanders overwhelming support among younger folk is not based on any animus toward HRC - they hardly remember her origins - but rather on the combination of Sanders economic critique of this country and the goals he´s espousing. There are any number of arguments you might make against the feasibility of those goals, but support for Sanders springs from a positive support for him, and not a negative reaction to HRC.
Turns out it didn’t really matter whether he was pissing in the tent or out of it…
Well, you know. We all have a flexible attitude toward polls from time to time. 
Really, what don’t people understand about that? The GOP is obviously trying to Akin/McCaskill Sanders, and it’s not because they’re quaking in their boots with fear of Sanders’ candidacy. They realize they have the best chance with Sanders, and they realize that an unfortunate number of Democrats think head to head match ups, 7 months from the election means a damn thing.
Both are similar in that they’re vagueries that are aimed at essentially the same group of constituents: White working class people EDIT TO ADD: and Millenials who see a better age slipping away from them. Unfortunately, both of those sentiments are rather unrealistic.
The System is Rigged and one of them can Make America Great Again.
That won’t go over quite so well as you seem to believe. Not to mention, Hillary has had everything AND the kitchen sink thrown at her for the last few decades and she’s still standing. The right-wing slime machine hasn’t even started on Bernie. Oh wait, they might bring up Benghazi!!!1! and Vince Foster again.
Schwarzenegger won re-election by running as Arnold Schwarzenegger and not really a Republican. The guy is as much a mixed-bag of contradictions as Trump, but far less divisive. He may have been the first Governor of any party to officiate a same sex wedding, despite having given lip service to the opposing it. But yeah, I wouldn’t discount the chances of a bloviating celebrity doofus over a guy who is likely to spend the next four years yelling at everyone.
I remember hearing Rush Limbaugh, back when Bill Clinton was president, warning everyone that Hillary wanted to be president, as outrageous as that sounds, and that electing her would spell the end of America.
The RWNJs have been at this a long time.
I don’t believe him!
He’s proven to be an angry old man that wants his way! Look at his voting record, stands up for the gun lobby and against president obama. Why, because he won’t vote for a good bill if it doesn’t meet 100% of his criterion.
All or nothing, that’s old man berns!
And the divisiveness might not be as much of a factor as some make it out to be. Some Americans may either come around to it and delude themselves that it’s a good thing or just ignore it outright.
I disagree; better to say two groups that have similar broad anxieties about their future in slow-growing, elite-dominated America. But Sanders supporters are a much younger cohort than Trump’s, and their anxieties have a lot more to do with an economy that’s stacked against them, and almost nothing to do with white racial anxieties.
I think there’s some shared fantasizing about how much radical change is possible, but it’s grossly unfair to Sanders supporters to conflate the two.
True, Sanders is getting an unbelievable pass on so much. Meanwhile, HRC is getting hit from all angles. Sanders can’t win at this point unless he were to pull some 65% of delegates going forward. Still, this is silly.
What other “Dems” were willing to buck the Clinton domination of party apparatchiks and big donor support? How effective would Team Clinton/Democratic messaging be if Hillary were the sole candidate in the primary race? Who would she debate/town hall with? How many fewer Democrats would turn out for the primarys? Still worse, how many fewer general election voters would have turned out to vote the Democratic ticket?
Bernie’s primary competition to Hillary may rescue Democratic chances in November, but it’s no sure thing as losing debate ratings and primary turnouts vis a vis the GOP reveal.
Sorry, I see them as two ends of the same spectrum.
Sanders younger supporters see a system that’s stacked against them but with no really feasible plans as to make that system viable for them. These Millenials believe there needs to be a political revolution. OK. What exactly does that translate to?