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This is just Obamaās way to show how difficult an operation like this is. Now multiply by 11 million for Trumpās plan.
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Do they have any suggestions on what Obama should do? Or can do legally? If i recall Sanders hasnāt always been very pro immigration.
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Oh, this thread should bring some mixed responses. This is going to be a fun one to read. ding ding! (boxing bell sound)
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Sanders is pro immigration. He is not a fan of illegals. The two are entirely separate. Illegals are not immigrants, they are criminals.
Yup, Iāll get that ball rolling.
Back in 2006-07 during the debate of the Bush, McCain Kennedy immigration bill Sanders expressed misgivings about an increase in the number of H1-B visas because of the impact on the labor market as well as it being a sop to corporate interests. He as well as Obama voted no on the final bill.
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Iāll address the elephant in the room to say that Latino voter turnout has always been low, and for a variety of reasons including being harassed by poll workers over status of their citizenship and other issues related to legal immigration, and deportations of any kind would further depress Latino voter turnout. But if theyāre not turning out to vote Democratic they wonāt turn out to vote for Rs either, if thatās an upside in glass half empty way.
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The H-1B, J-1, L-1, F-1, OPT, EB-5, and the other visas (which are TEMPORARY WORKER VISAS and have NO IMMIGRATION IMPLICATIONS) are a horribly destructive force for American workers. Disney replaced 250 highly-trained US IT staff with H-1B scabs. SC Edison replaced hundreds, some of which control their nuclear plant. Itās happened over and over. Thousands and thousands of US workers have been replaced. The OPT training process ENCOURAGES the hiring of foreign students (temporary workers) instead of US students. The employer gets a $10,000 (approx) reduction in taxes to hire the foreign workers.
Sanders has been active in the opposition to the replacement of American workers with lower-skilled foreign temporary workers. Unfortunately confusion on the progressive and liberal side about the impact of the visa programs has forced Sanders to be less emphatic about these programs than before his running for POTUS>
HRC is a full supporter of the many programs to replace Americans with foreign workers. Itās why I will never vote for her. She is a self-described āSenator from Punjabā.
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Dem 2016ers
I stood back and didnāt fight the ā24/7ā craze, but, God as my witness, I will fight this one!
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So if Hillary is the Democratic nominee in November, will you vote write-in or Republican or just stay home?
I have no idea. I might vote Nader, since he is also extremely skeptical of the H-1B and other visas. I live in a state where my vote is wasted, anyway (SD).
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No, it was a 2007 Obama Campaign memo that called her that. (Sen. Obama quickly apologized and called it āa dumb mistakeā.)
But Iām in total sympathy, re: billionaire shenanigans to open the H-1B floodgates, bulk-ship entire industries to slave-labor dystopias, and enrich already-obscene spoils by shafting American workers at every turn.
Even the mercenary Henry Ford understood the critical need for workers with decent wages and money in their pockets. This current generation of myopic rentiers donāt understand (or care) that consumer spending accounts for 2/3 of the American economy. Or, at least, it once didā¦
A 1% upper class, 99% lower class, and 0% middle class would be just dandy with them.
Not sure, however, that refugee families and unaccompanied minors fleeing Central American violence ā legally or not ā pose the same magnitude of threat.
(EDIT: My sympathy is with resistance to oligarchy, not with the caricature of Ms. Clinton.)
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Thanks for this post.
The Oligarchs are totally Rational.
Rational being robotically mercenary to the point of Planetary Destruction.
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In point of fact, you are incorrect. Here is the article from the Trib in 2007.
"The reference in the headline is an allusion to an article found in the Nexis news database from the the March 17, 2006 issue of India Abroad. Writer Aziz Haniffa was reporting from a fundraiser in which āover 80 prominent Sikh professionals and entrepreneurs from the Washington metropolitan area paid $500 to $2,000 apieceā to boost Clintonās political warchest:
At the fundraiser hosted by Dr Rajwant Singh at his Potomac, Maryland, home, and which raised nearly $50,000 for her re-election campaign, Clinton began by joking that, āI can certainly run for the Senate seat in Punjab and win easily,ā after being introduced by Singh as the Senator not only from New York but also Punjab. "
HRC referred to her own ability to run as Senator from Punjab.
The wholesale destruction of the American IT/STEM sector by flooding it with hundreds of thousands of cheap-ass indentured servant H-1B scabs has left hundreds of thousands of US workers unable to even get interviews. Itās disgusting, and HRC is fully on board with the use of foreign workers in place of Americans. Itās wrong.
http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/06/dpunjab_funny_d.html
Thatās not the issue and you know it, every Democrat is pro-immigration, anti-illegal immigration. Itās what do you do when thereās a kid involved who was born here and the parent is an illegal, how do you go about doing it and where do you draw the line if one member of the family is here illegally while another is here or in the process of being here legally.
From the piece:
āAccording to the Post, starting next month immigration enforcement agents are planning to deport families who sought asylum from violence in Central America but didnāt receive refugee status. Those whose asylum claims were rejected and have been told to leave since Jan. 1, 2014 will be targeted in raids, the Post said.ā
Your comments suggest that either you did not read the piece or have chosen to ignore it. Those who are slated for deportation are those who have 1) illegally entered recently as families and 2) have gone through hearings. What HRC, Sanders and OāMalley are doing is shameless pandering to the Hispanic caucus. These deportations are fully justified, and all legal requirements have been satisfied. There are no American citizens in the cases, as far as I can tell.
Hereās what you do. Send those birthright citizen children back with their parents. Give them a Right of Return at age 21. If they are already age 21 they have a choice. They can leave with their parents or stay and go back to visit their parents.
The first step, of course, would be to end birthright citizenship at a date certain in the immediate future. Congress has the plenary power to do this without going through the process of changing the Constitution.
Incidently, very few countries still have birthright citizenship if they once did. Birthright citizenship is what causes these problems.
It is more that āThis current generation of myopic rentiers donāt understand (or care)āā¦
Back some 15+ years ago I was working for SUN in Seattle and had Microsoft heavily recruit me. The recruiter did not understand why I was not willing to jump at the Microsoft position.
Letās see just one reason, take the MS job for $30K where I was making over $100K at SUN for the near identical position. About a week later there was Bill Gates testifying before Congress asking for more H1Bs saying he could not find US citizens for the positions he hadā¦ Well, as in my case, not for the wages he was willing to pay.
Using INS rules, etc if nothing new, was not then and is not now.
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Nope. Only the most tortured reading of the 14th Amendment would allow that. I doubt even our right-wing activist supreme court majority would go that far.
Itās right there in the first sentence, plain as day:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
Yeah, there are crackpots who believe you can somehow pretend that children of undocumented immigrants are not āsubject to the jurisdictionā of the U.S. and not get laughed out of court, but these people are only kidding themselves.
Nope, ending birthright citizenship in the U.S. would require a Constitutional Amendment. And good luck with that.
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Bingo. If an employer offers better wages (and benefits, and working conditions), they will attract the more talented among existing qualified candidates. If enough employers in a given industry pay better wages, etc, then more talented people will seek education / training and go into the field. Itās basic supply and demand, and Bill Gates certainly knows it. But heād rather just increase the āsupplyā side to include more H1B workers from overseas who are willing to work for lower wages than their American counterparts. This also allows U.S. companies to take advantage of high-skilled workers who are products of the educational systems of other countries (usually strongly government-supported) rather than have to pay a bit more for world-class primary, secondary and higher education here in the U.S. to produce the high-skilled workforce they need.
Unfortunately, the chronic underfunding of education and job training in the U.S. leaves more Americans with substandard educations, inadequate skills and lousy, low-paid, no-benefit (mostly) service sector jobs, and then these workers end up having to rely on food stamps, Medicaid, subsidized day care, etc, to survive. But not to worry, our fearless corporate leaders are working on this problemā¦by slashing or completely eliminating those kinds of benefits while stubbornly refusing to raise wages to anywhere close to even a bare-bones living wage level.
In the short-term, hereās what I would propose as far as H1B visas (and similar work visas). If the employer can show that they are offering significantly better than industry-average wages (say 20% above average) and yet they still canāt find enough workers with the right skills, allow them to bring in more H1B workers to fill those jobs ā but also require them to pay above-average wages, and a substantial employer-paid surtax on those wages, with the majority of those funds dedicated to scholarships, training programs, etc. designed to attract and prepare Americans ā both unemployed Americans, and young people graduating high school or college ā for the types of jobs employers are finding hard to fill (and the balance of those funds going for education and social programs in economically depressed communities).
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