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Best news I have heard in a long time. Go Bernie!
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Clintonâs going to have a hard time if Bernie beats her in both Iowa and NH. I think if Clinton focused on her ability to get her more moderate/mainstream views through a divided Congress it might help. Bernieâs ideas might be great, but have just about zero chance of making it through the conservative Congress we have now (and will for the next 4-8 years). The GOP isnât going to all of the sudden not be obstructionist if a Democrat wins the whitehouse, I just donât see Bernie having the political savviness to move legislation, Hillary (and the vast Clinton political machine) I see as being much more capable in that area.
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It is interesting that this article does not report the remaining approx ten percent of the vote. I went to a well attended OâMalley event today in Newton Iowa. He presents himself very well and if the media will fairly cover his campaign we will see him continue growing in the polls and he will surprise the pundits in the caucuses.
If Bernie wins Iowa and New Hampshire were will the Hillary voters go?y
" I just donât see Bernie having the political savviness to move legislation, Hillary (and the vast Clinton political machine) I see as being much more capable in that area."
Sorry Tom, but I have to tell you something: the Republicans hate Hillary almost as much as they hate Obama.
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To the fainting couch first.
What that does the GOP hating Hillary have to do with anything? Of course they do, they also hate Bernie because heâs a âsocialistâ (doesnât matter if itâs true or not). The GOP will be an obstructionist party no matter which Democrat is in the whitehouse, which means we need someone who has the political machine to work around the GOP, I dontâ see Bernie having that ability.
If Bernie wins Iowa and New Hampshire were will the Hillary voters go?y
Hillary will be in it for awhile if she loses the first two states, nothing much matters until Super Tuesday. But my guess is most Hillary supporters are fine with Bernie and if theyâre like me they would gladly vote for him in the general election, just feel that Hillary is a much stronger candidate and would make a far stronger President.
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his reputation in congress for pragmatism is well known, actually. i think darcyâs point is that there is no democratic president, either real or hypothetical, who could expect anything but total obstruction from the GOP congress. iâm not sure what your reference to a âmachineâ is in clintonâs case, or why she would have one and sanders wouldnâtâeach would have equal access to the levers of executive power, and no shortage of seasoned aides to guide them.
the more interesting argument along these lines, imo, is the one that Sanders makesâthat a populist presidential campaign is what is needed to put a real dent in GOP congressional majorities. clintonâs approachâminimizing risk by minimizing exposureâis more likely to produce a low turnout election, which makes GOP congressional majorities all but unassailable.
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OK, my views as a 60-something liberal Jewish Vietnam vet. I do like much about Bernie, especially his anger about income inequality and Wall Street. I donât like a lot about Hillary, especially her vote on the Iraq war WHEN SHE HAD INSIDE INFO TO KNOW THERE WERE NO WMDS. Yes, I am yelling. What the fuck was she doing? And I find her disingenuous on so many things, like Wall Street, and still have to rinse my mouth of the carpetbagger word. All of that said, this is war.
Bernie canât win it. Hillary can. So, I will support her because thatâs what we need to do.
Not where I hoped to be nearing my 70th year. But I can support HRC.
do you have any basis for this opinion?
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And I forgot to throw in Bill! The two of them smiling and waving to the adoring crowd on 1/20/16 would be too too much for Republicans. Seriously though, as Bernie has said, and I heard him make reference to it in a stump speech in SC, that a ârevolutionâ is whatâs needed, meaning having enough voters to vote and break the gerrymandering (by 2018) the 'pubs have successfully put in place. Thatâs his answer. Maybe something unforeseen will happen if he wins to help it come about. Hopefully more and more Republicans down here in the South will start understanding the inequality message. I often hear it in conversations when hanging out with my neighbors.
We need to be surprised (Bernie) or get in line (Hillary) for the âpossibilityâ of more porridge, and then be thankful for the crumbs. IMO the differences are that vast.
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Hoagie, you bummed me out. Bernie can win it. Your hoagie avatar reminded me of a salesman I worked with who was Jewish. I used to go over to his house on Sundays to watch basketball when his wife was going to be out for the day. He always told me to pickup a few sandwiches on the way, meaning a hoagie of Virginia ham and swiss with spicy mustard. Loved it. His wife came home early one Sunday - halfway through the ham and swiss - and threw us both out in the snow as we were eating off her kosher plates.
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If Sanders gets the Democratic nomination, then I will vote for any GOP candidate, I hate Trump, but he is better than Sanders. Sanderâs will raise taxes to the extent that manufacturers will move their headquarters out the country, the 1% will also move their main residence out of the US. When Eisenhower had high tax, the rich had no were to go, as Europe and Asia were recovering from WWII. Now in a global economy, they will move to the lowest tax country, and they will be welcomed with tax options that Sanders would never support. Remember when Texas was going around to other states to have companies move to âlow tax, low regulationâ Texas, Countries will do the same thing, and the 1%er have no obligation to the United States to resist their âcallâ. Also, if taxes do not go up, then the government deficit will run amok, and we will have inflation or go back into recession. Either way, a Sanderâs presidency would be terrible for our nation, at least Trump would keep us entertained.
Nobody doubts Clintonâs ability; where she fails is in the area of âIs she on my side?â, or âCan I trust her?â.
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To Debbie Wasserman Shultz, to complain that they were promised an unfair primary with a thumb on the scale favoring Hillary every damn time.
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:" I just donât see Bernie having the political savviness to move legislation"
Bernie has a plan for how heâll get his plans through congress. Heâs worked out a method, he used it when he was mayor of Burlington.
Here it is:
Now you CAN see. Join the Bern and Feel the Bern. And watch big money squirm.
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Bernie, Bernie, Bernie. I love Hillary, but Iâm voting for Bernie!
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Thatâs why the DNC needs a real leader looking to win governors and state legislatures in all 50 states, not Debbie Wasserman Shultz, whose only goal is to elect Hillary Clinton and nothing else.
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