Skipping the condescension (because I was commenting on a general point you made, not personally going after you), people float the idea that another candidate would made make Hillary better, but that’s often just a cover for wanting “Anybody but Hillary”. It’s not a conspiracy theory as you so casually throw out there, but an observation about how liberals in general often react to somebody named “Clinton”: lots of loathing and a longing for someone else to show up.
How? What will it take?
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And this is why Bernie isn’t pulling blue collar workers or women or POC. The idea that Bernie is the candidate of the downtrodden is laughable given the actual demographics of who is voting for him.
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WTF are you going on about? I have verbally dismembered countless Bernie supporters on this site, and while a few went off the deep end around the intertubes (and I have to say I think there was some astroturf from the right involved to fluff it up), I think your assessment is way overboard. Bernie’s and his supporters’ problem has long been, from the get-go, that they took legitimate criticisms of Clinton and turned them into hyperbolic vitriol. I don’t think that was motivated by sexism or racism, but by a misguided sense of ideological passion finding the wrong channel to flow down. Bernie’s failure was to not recognize that and then redirect it. The problem I’m seeing now is that it’s irritated some Clinton supporters to the point where they’re now in reactionary mode, throwing back the same sort of irrational, hyperbolic vitriol in response. That feedback loop needs to be severed. And sorry, but the practical reality is this: Clinton is probably going to win and she’s going to need Bernie supporters to come around, so guess who needs to be the bigger camp here and be first to step out of the feedback loop, taking on a more conciliatory tone, no matter how “wronged” they feel they’ve been?
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“I promise to try to do something small and achievable” isn’t exactly inspiring, but that is the promise we get from Hillary. It is a realistic promise if establishment Democrats are unwilling to try for anything significant.
He certainly does seem like he’s leading a cult, rather than running for office.
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How can this happen? What will it take? Screaming on a blog isn’t it.
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Prophets almost always fail. The people they are trying to warn almost always follow the easy path. They get their heads chopped off. Then along comes the leader and things get done.
Hillary will win the primary. She will win the election. She will be a nice placeholder right up to the time of the revolution. .
I find it sad, but I was kind of hoping Hillary would be the real leader and get things done, but her small ball promises and programs leave me cold.
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True that. Check out his interview on the Nightly Show:
I mean…wow. Southern states with large minority populations distort reality??
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When I see Bernie I do see a delusional crazy man.
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I still don’t see it. People who feel passionately enough to believe “Anybody but Hillary” have, in my experience, felt strongly enough to unashamedly say so. That’s part of why we’re watching Clinton people go rabid and irrational now, which is really disappointing me, because I find my posting time to be far more entertaining when I get to be the irrational and outlandish one, but I feel stuck pointing out what I’m seeing take place.
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I find comfort in your delusion. Perhaps after Hillary beats Sanders in the primaries God will take him up to heaven in a chariot of fire and we will not have to listen to his tiresome ranting anymore.
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I fully condemn anyone who makes a show of labeling anything “hate speech.” Nor do I accept anyone as having legitimate authority to do so. The policing of language is just the wrong plane at which to assert control. What matters is meaning, not the words expressing it. The meaning of “whore” here is clear, a strong and useful metaphor. You’re deflecting us from recognizing that most everyone in congress is tainted by whoredom by denouncing the word. You’re incidentally defending the current arrangement, in which they are whores. You’re on the side of corruption. Why?
This is where the Sanders campaign and his followers have been headed since the beginning, and why I turned off of him so early. I could see exactly where the rhetoric was headed, and why. A campaign built on anger follows the same trajectory, no matter the ideology. No, they aren’t threatening Dem delegates or attacking protesters. But if Sanders had fewer scruples, ala Trump, I can easily see his supporters doing those things.
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So you’re with us or you’re against us?
Okay, George.
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We are still the party that tries to make life “better for the masses.” In fact, President Obama has made life better for literally millions of people. Oh! But he’s not pure enough for the Sanders crowd.
You must mean, like, this Democratic Party?
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I don’t know, how about Democratic politicians using the 15 dollar an hour movement to engage in party organizing in red and purple districts, winning elections outside save districts, and then passing legislation. The 15 dollar an hour movement has a lot of popular support among people making $11.00 per hour. Most of those people are whites that don’t live in safe blue districts, but are instead served by republican assholes who don’t pay any attention to their needs.
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And that is not a new thing this year.
Edit: Add an excerpt. The story is about the 1990 Congressional race in VT.
Sanders couldn’t very well rail against Smith for his views on assault weapons when they were the same as his own. Instead, the aide said, Sanders wanted to let others “do our dirty work for us.” Instead of talking about guns, then, Sanders talked about honesty. “Unlike some people, I won’t change my views on the subject,” he told one pro-gun group. It worked.
“Others,” in this context, is the NRA.
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Gotta control Congress, ron. You know, pass the legislation with enough votes.
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Maybe you’re right. But if so, how do you explain this sharp contrast in demographics? (Or the widespread mansplaining and general hostility the Bernie Bros have shown toward women on social media? Or that horribly and blatantly racist bullshit on Reddit about how black people were just voting against their best interest?)
I’m serious here. I keep saying this but it’s true. What the fuck is honestly going on with this demographic split? If it isn’t racism or sexism, then what the fuck is it?
If you got a better explanation for it, fill me in. I honestly want to hear one. Something I can go, “Oh yeah. Okay. That makes sense.”
So far, all I got is, “There’s some foul, fishy odor emanating from Denmark.”
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