And there we are. The loaded question fallacy, the mating call of the Sanders supporter.
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Certain āleadersā huff and puff in well-lit subdivisions of straw & stick houses while a tiny few face the darkness relentlessly attempting to build a brick house or twoā¦
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She isnāt President yet. You have signed her off before she even starts.
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Geez -such b/s
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O.o
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Indeed. As Iāve been saying. Perhaps you should direct your fire at them and get people to stop voting for them.
How do you get people to stop voting against their own self-interest anyway when their interests are guns, God, and gays?
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That is a presidential map, but if my memory serves the Republicans have gained 69 seats in the house, 13 seats in the senate, and thousands of state offices. They have also captured much of suburban America. If Obama has proven anything a centrist Democrat canāt accomplish anything with a Republican congress. If the leaders of the Democratic party arenāt willing to get off their collective fat asses and organize outside their safe districts, then the future looks bleak for rank and file Democrats. Hell it looks bleak for rank and file Americans out here in districts 2 through 12.
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Iām voting for a president, not who is the best motivational speaker.
Iāll take realistic achievable goals that actually have a chance to make my life better, over inspiring yet empty rhetoric that has no chance in hell of happening.
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Well he should have thought about what he said before he said it. Heās no fucking dummy and he knew exactly what he was doing in the first place. The damage is done and no apology will fix it.
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How about finding common ground. Most of those people want jobs, good educations for their kids and a future. They are sold guns, god and gays by their āleadersā and the corporate media. You are sold the same propaganda message by the same corporate media that sends film crews into black communities to cover every black on black murder, but never does a thing to help.
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I donāt think they looked very hard:
https://www.legistorm.com/member/460/Sen_Bernie_Sanders.html
Thatās a long list with some clearly non-white names on it. But maybe Iām wrong and shouldnāt be āassumingā things from names. But hey, you think Basundhara Mukherjee is a white dude? How about Hector Gabriel Sigala? Chantel Carter?
Iām all for fun gifs, but that one just looked suspect right off the bat. I think theyāre getting away with implying there were none when the ātruthinessā of their statement is that they just didnāt find them.
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Yeah - the Democratic party used to stand for Losing until Bill Clinton showed up and showed us what winning looks like.
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Thatās the money quote. He knows that his plan is unpassable in this congress and political environment. He knows it, admits it and helped to pass what was possible with the idea of improving the ACA incrementally.
Now, itās all big promises and glitter. The congress should be more favorable but Sanders is no Barack Obama that took heat for working with the other side and doing what it took to get the ball rolling.
And in case he hasnāt noticed, the Repubs regret ever allowing the ACA to become law and have been on a non-stop, Party wide repeal effort ever since. They arenāt going to be so willing next time around.
Sanders is a true outsider that doesnāt have the backing of even his own newly adopted Party and he doesnāt have anyone from his own ideology, how will that equate to everyone getting on board with scrapping what we just spent 8 years creating and then somehow magically starting all over with a barely thought through plan that just as easily may never work?
It would take a revolution, a big, ugly, messy, likely deadly, revolution.
Yes, his participation does include him if he is being consistent and honest with his rhetoric.
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If what we have been doing lately is winning, I will throw in with you. Yeh, we win the Presidency, but we lose everything else. Bill Clinton showed us how to hold on until the next big change. I personally thought Obama was going to usher in that change, but he didnāt.
The Republicans saw the pressure building and tried to turn it in their favor by inventing the Tea Party. The Democratic establishment sat on its hands. We got crushed in 2010 and have been down since.
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I donāt get that. Yes, he should have thought about it before he said it. Thatās why an apology was necessary. Using that argument to undermine the apology once given is a bit like saying āyou donāt get to apologize.ā Well fineā¦if weāre at that stage of things, then Iām going to stop blaming Bernie supporters for saying they wonāt vote for Clinton if sheās nominated, because frankly, I wouldnāt vote for the other candidate either if they let me know that I would never be forgiven for anything and brought back into the fold, and that my vote is only wanted because Iām a useful tool to their ambitions. Fair trade?
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All populist movements quickly descend into this. They might start off lofty (at least the ones that come from the left) but they wind up here in the blink of an eye every.single.time.
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Well, I hope weāre seeing some progress on that front. Itās not enough, but at least itās a step in the right direction.
Youāre so full of shit I can smell it through the interwebs.
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Should have done it onstage. His campaign has become garbage
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That makes two of us. Every day that goes by, the Sanders campaign gets even more indistinguishable from Trumpās.
Two sides of the same coin. Extremism isnāt pretty on either side. I didnāt expect to see it so blatantly on display in Bernieās campaign. I guess I was naive.
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